Do you ever stop to appreciate what an overwhelmingly successful life form humans are?

They're beautiful in their simplicity. Humans need to constantly build and build and it could fall apart at any time. A roach has always had all it needs and can survive what could wipe us out.

@UnparalleledMonster: Ok but you see successful as dominance?

@enevoe:

Yeah, they're successful organisms...

@ajoite:

No they don't limit how they breed. They are limited by their environment. And as you say when they enter an environment that no longer limits them, their population explodes....because the goal of every living organism is to propagate the species

@UnparalleledMonster: I didn't say that I said " shouldn't be in" I'll be back in a bit have to sort out my animals..but this is getting good!

@ajoite: Yeah no worries.

But the idea that there are environments that an organism "shouldn't be in" is really a human construct.
There are ecosystems that have a balance within them among the organisms. When a foreign organism enters that ecosystem and is able exploit the resources then it can become highly successful even if that means destroying that ecosystem as it existed.
Their goal is to spread the species and that is to a very large extent only limited by available resources and predation.
Humans have no predators and we have learned to exploit our resources to the point where we've spread across the globe

was that whooshing sound, the goalposts getting shifted?

OK, thanks, it's clear you're not worth talking to

@firefall:

I'm not sure why you feel i was shifting the goalposts.
How have i done that?

We are discussing whether or not humans are a successful species. You introduced the idea of short sitedness which seems to me to be irrelevant.
If you disagree then explain yourself.

But if you're just claiming goal shifting so that you can save face and flee the conversation then i must agree that you're not worth talking to.

Your move.

@firefall:

lol well i guess that answers that question.

Catch ya next time😉

Well not every member of a species will ever be successful. But as a species we are incredibly successful