Do you support Israel?

@silmarilion456:
Sorry???

@HairyBallSack1:
Anyone can easily throw together a video with no credentials?

@HijabbaDabbaDoo:
Maybe if you referenced​ a reliable source?

@HijabbaDabbaDoo:
Illegally obtained: hmm? Very interesting, you know who tries take or steel, the original possessors protect or defend, the individuals that are trying to attack are the illegal terrorists​.

In this lesson, the innocent is Israel, the evil is Palestine​.

@HijabbaDabbaDoo: Israel actually is legally occupying land that was formerly part of Jordan and part of Egypt. They gave most of it back after legal seizing it in a war that they didn't start. There isn't and has not been a Palestinian nation for the land to be stolen from. There has been many attempts to create a Palestinian state. Each time, however, the leaders of the free palestine movement have rejected the offered land and independence and retaliated with increased terrorist attacks on Israel. Thus for Israel's own security they have seized some regions of land possessed by anarchy to try to bring some form of stability and safety.

Israel is not violating UN conventions to the best of my knowledge.

I am sorry I missed your post when it first went up. Let me try to respond.

1. Agreed...and most of these nations were fairly arbitrarily made. Meaning that no nation has any more right or any less right at that point. However, now these are well established legitimate countries with government, so the idea that one or more should be removed is immoral.

2. Yes, there is a league of arab nations. My question could have been phrased better I agree, I will edit it. My point was more along the lines of: "What there ever a Palestinian nation?"

3. Here I would tend to disagree with you. There is a strong sense of tribalism among Arab league nations. This sense of tribalism is based on ethnicity. Yes, there are several distinct ethnicities across the arab league nations, however there is a loyalty to 'arabs' first.

4. Almost all arab league nations are majority muslim. To the degree where in modern language they are often interchanged, arab and muslim. Another thing that you fail to mention is those that adhere to a non-muslim religion in most arab league nations will face very harsh discrimination and possibly violent persecution.

5. Again my question is phrased somewhat badly. But the ideal of a Palestinian state is somewhat racist in and of itself. Why? Because I can guarantee you that Jewish people would not be welcome. And would not have the civil rights that Palestinians have in Israel now.

6. First of the premise of your argument in this point is flawed. Just because one faction has human rights violations does not mean that the other faction is completely excused from human rights violations. It is perfectly valid to question both sides human rights violations and wrongdoings. Furthermore the issues surrounding the Israeli occupation of some territory is complicated. There have been 3 attempts to make a treaty to have peace in the region. Each treaty has been progressively less favourable to the idea of a Palestinian state as Israel has grown in strength and population and won wars. Each treaty has been agreed to by Israel and rejected out of hand by the Palestinian leaders. The first gave Palestine around 70% of the land. The second gave Palestine around 50% of the land. The third gave Palestine about 25% percent of the land. Keep in mind that the second two treaties were offered after Israel had won wars that the Arab league nations started and thus was in a position of strength where they did not need to concede anything. Currently you talk about Israeli occupation of parts of Gaza and the West Bank. You clearly forgot to mention the Egyptian occupation of Sinai or the Jordanian occupation of the rest of Gaza and West bank. Also you forgot to mention that Israeli occupied those territories after putting up with years of terrorist attack from unpoliced regions. And that Israel is facing opposition from an enemy that has sworn to "not stop until Israel is driven back into the sea". Israel is resisting total annihilation.

7. Christian and Muslim Israelis are not second class citizens, they have all the same rights as a Jewish citizen. I certainly think there is some discrimination against Muslims within Israel. I totally understand why, since Muslim organizations have sworn to destroy Israel. Now if you knew someone who had sworn to burn down your house would you invite them in to sit down and enjoy a cup of tea with you? In addition, do Christians and Jews even have the same rights on paper in the surrounding countries? I think not.

8. Now, upon reading this point I decided that I needed to better educate myself on it. So I just read a few articles. As far as I can tell, Israel respects regions that are willing to live in peace alongside the other inhabitants. The punishment you talk about is geographical discrimination on the basis of the number of terrorist incidents and civil unrest. Israel is trying to cop with ongoing systematic terrorist attacks.

9. Yes, extremist Islam is deeply routed in those areas, is a huge part of the reason they are such shit holes. Why? Because extremists are blowing stuff up, attacking Israel (which has every right to defend itself from ongoing rocket attacks with lethal force), and creating their own victim complex when after provoking Israel they get hit. These extremists use innocence as human shields, have no respect for the rules of war or geneva conventions, they torture and execute Christians and Jews because they don't adhere to Islam, and they continue to systematically attack people just trying to live their lives.

10. As I mentioned in my above comments, a two state solution has been tried and rejected out of hand 3-4 times since the creation of Israel. The Israelis are rightfully sick of it.

@silmarilion456: The bulk of Palestinians already live in Arab countries. They've been displaced by the war of 1948, and were never allowed back to their homes by Israel.

@silmarilion456: Then you are also a racist. There are good people there as well as the bad. Not everyone should be judged by the standard of those who partake in terrorist activities.

There are good and bad people everywhere you go. Unfortunately some belief systems support the bad instead of the good.

@MarsSword:
OK I knew my opinion wouldn't go unquestioned.

@MarsSword:
I'm so sorry for having an opinion, I take mine back, next time I will not answer. Can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

@FitAndTrimYetThick: Don't be so sensitive. I am neither offended nor sorry. There is nothing to forgive or to apologize for. Know that I do not merely accept opinions. I challenge them to discover their worth.

You are welcome to your opinion. Whether or not it is right is what is up for debate.

@silmarilion456: So then why don't the Jordanians and the Syrians and even the Lebanese allow the Palestinians in? Ethically, religiously, & culturally these are all the same people. Prior to the artificial lines being drawn in the sand sixty years ago, these were all nomadic tribes living and mingling throughout the area. There is no historic group or culture known as "Palestinian."

@silmarilion456:
You simply live too much in the past. Otherwise, veryyy good point.

@tynamite:
Your photo is not showing that you agree with Israelites exciting, there was or is no Palestinian, so for me we are debating nothing. Yet, you say Israel can exist. It seems like you are talking out of both sides of your face.

@tynamite:
Free the Palestinian State somewhere else. The take resources and they are money hungry bastards

@FitAndTrimYetThick: it is what it is ... humans are selfish and inherently evil ...truth

@Chernobylplayground: It would be nice if they could get along. But does seem unrealistic in the near future. Something we should always be working towards. It is hard to work with groups that have pledged to work towards the annihilation of another group.

Agreed

@MarsSword: @HairyBallSack1 I agree! Jews are responsible for multiculturalism, mass immigration, world debt, the media and world banks. Things that affect MY life and make it worse. Jews make the world worse by abusing their power.

@tynamite: I can't tell if you are trolling or serious... If you are being serious than you have a serious issue.

@silmarilion456: Okay, back to your last post: To what "associates" do you refer?

@silmarilion456: No, not slow on the uptake at all since you haven't mentioned this in this thread yet.

Okay, so you are talking about Semitic peoples throughout the world acting on behalf of Israel to bring about change in their countries. So I understand you right?

@Chernobylplayground: Thank you for your input in this discussion. It is appreciated. I hope I did not offend you. I am just stating the facts as I know them to further conversation.

@MarsSword: no problem , not at all offended...

And Israel has been upheld in treatment. You ever heard of the Holocaust.... But you are correct Palestine, they have been treated unfairly?

@silmarilion456: What a bunch of stupid nonsense.

What do you think they are doing to Palestinians?

@silmarilion456: That´s BS

@MarsSword: I would say the majority that have an opinion on something have no good valid reasons. They saw something in an article somewhere with no credibility and often believe it and start spouting off.

@Kinevil: And I would agree. But I also think that many many people have formulated a fairly well educated opinion from many articles and much comparison of data and discussion. Many of us would like to learn more by talking about it and comparing opinions and sources. I would see most of my reasons as good and valid and thus am willing to debate them to see if they actually are valid. If I am proven wrong I will evolve my opinion and or search for more facts.

Fair, however in the light of the evidence I have seen I don't see a strong zionist bully element or a superior racial attitude in any sort of majority.

True.

Possibly true, nobody seems to remember that Jordan and Egypt occupy the territory that the Palestinians were given in the original treaties.