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Obama wanted to fundamentally transform America, Trump wants to make America great again. Which one do you agree with?

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
The ideals expressed by the founding fathers has never been truly grasped and too often denigrated. While I realize that their lofty vision will never be realized on earth their earthly utopian vision is vastly superior to any other earthly utopian vision in the marketplace of ideas. Trump holds to the founders' ideals. Obama sought to destroy them. I support Trump over Obama.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
@hippyjoe1955: I know that's what people think he said, but I'm asking how? Like I said, insurance companies can already sell across state lines. That was never an issue. How's he going to make that suddenly fix everything if it hasn't already? And besides, what good would being able to buy insurance from Alaska do you if you live in Texas and all the doctors and hospitals you might go to are in Texas? Now your insurer has to negotiate with doctors and hospitals in Texas that they probably don't have preexisting arrangements with, which costs time and money, the avoidance of which was the entire reason for creating insurance networks in the first place, so now goes out the window. In fact, insurers would have to negotiate in every place in the US unless they just refused to serve some areas, which is exactly what they do now. Or if the insurer or policy is unreliable, what if healthcare providers refuse to accept it? You'd be free to buy insurance from anyone, but would that mean that all healthcare providers have to accept it? We'd have to have some kind of universal policy or regulation to ensure that...omg government intervention! And then there's those personal health savings accounts, which is just a way of saying, you pay for it, or the lack of an insurance plan. That'd be fine if it didn't cost over $7,000 to administer a dose of antivenin made in Mexico for $100. Yup, family of four on a $45K income? Ouch, better tighten your belts if you got a scorpion sting.

And how's he going to make companies hire more Americans by interfering less? Is that what the high import taxes are? Less interference? I guess he did say he'd relax regulations on Wall Street. Whoohoo, big win for the blue-collar man there. Then there's unleashing the US energy industry, the one already suffering from a glut of supply on the market. Oh, and there's this gem, right off his website.

"Every income group receives a tax cut under the Trump plan, with millions more being removed from the income tax rolls and low-income Americans paying no income tax at all."

I guess that would be considered less government interference. But I do remember hearing a lot of people whining about Americans who pay no federal income taxes. Trump promised to make millions more of them. What was that number at? 45%? Let's see if Trump can get us up to 60% of non federal income tax payers, yeah! Go big! Who needs a middle class when there's so much room at the bottom?

But really, how's he going to make a system work that already didn't work before? Relaxing non-existent restrictions on insurance sales? Telling people to pay for it on their own? Forcing companies to do unprofitable things under threat of extra taxes? Other than deregulating Wall Street and making fewer tax payers, where does he actually back off to make things better?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Xuan12: try reading Wealth of Nations. You can find a copy in the library.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
@hippyjoe1955: Adam Smith, middle school material. The invisible hand of the free market regulating itself, but threatened by monopolies, tax preferences, lobbyists, and privileged classes.

Not sure how that squares with the heavy import taxes and elimination of millions of tax payers. Also doesn't really bode well for nominating Exxon Mobil's CEO for Secretary of State. Sounds like the lobbyists win that one.
Invisible · 26-30, M
Trump will bring us closer to a free market and away from big corporations, banks, and foreign governments running our nation. Obama spent his terms doing quite the opposite.
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Invisible · 26-30, M
@TryingtoLava: 🙄
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Americans were sick to death of the same old BULLSHIT, Obama, GW Bush Bill " Zipper Down" Clinton all looked after the elite. Trump has rocked the establishment to the core
SW-User
He owes loyalty to no one and thus why the ones that do are scared shitless of him. I love it. Lol
RumBoy75 · 46-50, M
Don't think what we have been doing is working perfectly. I agree some things should change. There are many things that are fine but everyone only focuses on what is bad. However, this guy is not the right one to make the changes. It makes me physically ill knowing he is a president.

Before anyone says anything about, you'll have to get a job, or some other asinine comment. I have been a life long republican, that is, until he became the candidate, and I would absolutely not support him. I have a job, I pay my bills, I am not supplemented in any way by the government. I did not vote for Hillary
HaHLoBravado · 36-40, M
When the hell was America "great" and for who?? Lol
VioletRayne · 31-35, F
[c=#4C0073]I been trying to figure that out for the longest![/c]
SW-User
Neither. I think America was great before and it will continue to be. There will always be problems with any country with millions of people, but overall it works.
SW-User
Nothing is perfect but I don't think America needed to be great again ...it needs some work but it doesn't need whatever trump wants to do to it
SW-User
I think he was just trying his best to do what he thought was right for the people of this country .. he didn't exactly get much cooperation with republicans though
GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M
@Chernobylplayground: I glad the republicans didn't cave in all the time.
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SocialSmocial · 26-30, M
Obama did transform America by giving millions of money to terrorists. Trump will make America great again.
SW-User
yea he will, if he kills everyone who voted for him
PeanutsauntieP1982 · 41-45, F
Obama. T.R.U.M.P sucks!
Jibby · 56-60, C
He's such a divisive asshole he ran the fucking white house like a fucking amateur child
Obama was a good family man as far as we know but bad for our country.

Trump is horrible but he seems or claims to have the country's best interest in mind.

But time will tell.. He could just ruin the world over and not just our county
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Something has to change
SW-User
Obama, of course. Some changes were necessary when he was elected, we were in a recession and at war. I just wish his government had cooperated and Trump hadn't trashed him so unrelentingly. Trump's slogan was simply his response, to tell his followers he wants to make America [b]white[/b] again. Who else was he supposedly taking America "back" from ?
JohnOinger · 41-45, M

 
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