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Health Care - much ado about nothing

It took decades to screw up healthcare and its unreasonable to expect the president elect to completely fix it prior to the inauguration. While the ACA has many good things such as no oreexisting condition exclusion and children extended to age 26 it let insurance companies gouge everybody and permitted monopolies resulting in lack of competition. As a first step having competition meaning insurance companies have to offer policies in all states or none is a good first step. A single payer system is inevitable with one track for those that pay a second for those that don't and the ability to buy supplemental coverage privately. This isn't brain surgery.
Yeah, I agree..the trouble with "government", they don't promote competition..that's why everything is out of whack..I'd venture to say that if ALL government agencies had competition, we'd be in the black and not the red...
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Greenbare: so when do the charges against a Mrs Clinton get announced?
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Greenbare: only a matter of days my friend 😀🇺🇸
Invisible · 26-30, M
The silly libs [i]want[/i] socialism, don't you know that already?
I'd say send them to a socialist country then...give them a peak at what they're missing...
Invisible · 26-30, M
Unfortunately, they have the freedom to want whatever they'd like.
@Invisible: eventually, they will get their way, and their children and grandchildren will be the ones to suffer...
katielass · F
This could have worked had they not set the penalty for not enrolling so low. Surely everyone understands how insurance works. It's a shared risk. Your homeowners and auto insurance works the same way. But obmacare was designed to fail so the single payer system could be ushered in and people would not protest, or not protest too much. I saw that man who was the architect of this POS admit it was designed to fail. woo, like we didn't already know that. government takeover completed.
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katielass · F
@Greenbare: It's not nice to attack people who are on your side. MY 30 + years in health care give me an insight to see things you wouldn't see if it was placed in front of you.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Shattered: it's time to issue a few things about our friend greenbare:

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katielass · F
@Jackjjacksonjr: Oh jack, it's not the first time some far right person attacked me. I get it from both sides, but mostly from the left. But it's true. We can't go back. There are several provisions the overwhelming majority like, myself included, and they cost money. Big money. That's reality, and ignoring t will not make it go away.
Niburu · 51-55, M
Expand Medicare to cover everyone under 18.
After that the government can subsidize a catastrophic policy for everyone
After 65 have it pick back up again.
Let private insurance companies offer full and supplemental insurance across state borders.
Make tax free medical savings accounts a checkbox on your W9.
katielass · F
The under 18 are on their parents insurance. And if their parents don't have it through an employer, what do they do? You can put the under 18 either on Medicaid or provide theirs relative cheaply but that doesn't solve he problem.
Niburu · 51-55, M
@Shattered: no the under 18 would be covered by Medicaid/medicare/whatever you wanna call it regardless, parents would need to get a policy unless it was supplemental insurance
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@Niburu: with all due respect I like my plan better.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Interesting that people on the right are open to single payer. It shows flexibility of thought. The new plans will probably be a step further away from that though. Republican legislators tend to be againts it for ideogical reasons.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Who's on the rights. Some of us are centrists and view each issue on its own merit or lack therof. Any sensible person realizes that removing for profit insurance domosnirs taking a large slice of the pie is bad for everyone.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
and pharmaceutical companies have raised prices on prescription drugs in many cases to the point that they are not affordable for most people
peachykeen · F
There is no reason why we have to pay up to 4 times as much for drugs than other countries. It is a corrupt system.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@peechykeen: Not just drugs but snake antivenom is $8000-$12000 per vial and the ER doctors often use up to a dozen of them....geez my uncle got bit by a rattlesnake in the early 60's and went to the ER and got anti-venom and he paid his bill from his own money,he had no insurance back then.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@cherokeepatti: ouch a in many ways
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the answer to government and higher prices is COMPETITION!!! It's been proven over and over again that lower prices and higher quality are always the result of competition...
peachykeen · F
I really hope Trump overhalls the pharmaceutical companies too. There is no reason why the US pays 4 times as much for needed drugs. It is disgusting. Our elderly are having to choose between buying food or buying their medication.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@peachy. Absolutely. The gouging drug companies could be considered literally murderers.
peachykeen · F
@Jackjjacksonjr: Did you know that pharmaceutical companies financially back medical schools throughout the US? They train doctors to peddle drugs - that we cannot afford. Doctors and pharmacists get rich because they push drugs that they own stock in. ~ I used to work in a hospital pharmacy in college. It is a corrupt system that needs an individual (who did not have the campaign backing of drug companies) to revamp the system. If Trump can do this he will have the respect of everyone in the country.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@peechykeen: it would be amazing if he could pull that off. The insurance companies sure don't help with their biased formulary rules nor does the patent process inhibiting generics.
MissD10 · F
Obama had the right idea but too much a coward to go for broke, single payer is better than Obamacare, Obamacare is worse than either single payer or what we had before.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
@miss. The ACA ended up being a bastardized mess.

 
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