Is planned parenthood evil? Why?
(An acquaintance on fb thinks so. I find it ludicrous she only focuses on the abortion aspect)
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SWisGoingWoke · M
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SWisGoingWoke · M
@Firechidist: Okay the definition of living, that's an important point. There is living as in a fire is "living" while burning. Living plants, living bacteria, living fungus, like mold. Animals live, but humans, they're different. Humans have an eternal soul and no other living entity has that.
So, when I say living, I am talking about alive as in eternally alive as in an entity with a soul.
Trees do not have souls. Dogs do not have souls. Frogs, no soul. Rose bushes, nope, no soul.
We sort of have to have some understanding of terms to be able to discuss things, yes?
So, when I say living, I am talking about alive as in eternally alive as in an entity with a soul.
Trees do not have souls. Dogs do not have souls. Frogs, no soul. Rose bushes, nope, no soul.
We sort of have to have some understanding of terms to be able to discuss things, yes?
SWisGoingWoke · M
@Starkizzed21: Carrying a baby to term for any reason has risks. Having sex has risks. Again I ask you a simple question: Why should the child be punished (death by scalpel dismemberment) because the mother is (a) lazy, (b) stupid, (c) drug dependent, (d) low income, (e) inconvenienced? Where does the majority of human history point to the answer? Life. Life until the 1960's was considered the ultimate gift, the most precious possession. Life was worth dying for. Life was more important than image, reputation, or the inconvenience of getting your drug-soaked ass sober. Why should it be different now?
Pre 1960's, the child's life was always more important than the mother's. In cases where the mother, or the child would die, medicine routinely gave the benefit of life-saving effort to the child. Why? No one ever really said it, but my understanding was that the mother had already had her life, whatever length it might have been, and now, out of love, she would step aside and let the baby have their chance.
It seems to me we aren't becoming better, more enlightened, or closer to truth, we're just getting more selfish and in love with our own desires.
Some have claimed that "love means never having to say you're sorry" but I think it's easy to see that true love is to give up your own life for another, like Christ did on the cross of Calvary.
Pre 1960's, the child's life was always more important than the mother's. In cases where the mother, or the child would die, medicine routinely gave the benefit of life-saving effort to the child. Why? No one ever really said it, but my understanding was that the mother had already had her life, whatever length it might have been, and now, out of love, she would step aside and let the baby have their chance.
It seems to me we aren't becoming better, more enlightened, or closer to truth, we're just getting more selfish and in love with our own desires.
Some have claimed that "love means never having to say you're sorry" but I think it's easy to see that true love is to give up your own life for another, like Christ did on the cross of Calvary.
SWisGoingWoke · M
@Starkizzed21: That old canard of "what if the baby grows up and _____" is plain silly. Think about it. When the baby is being born, you have no idea what the destiny of that child might be. Poor? My parents grew up poor, rock soup poor, as they enjoyed the dust bowl days of Oklahoma in a depression, yet they went on to retire very comfortably due to hard work on their part.
Where do you want to put yourself, or society, into God's position of deciding that "Well Billy Smith will suffer at the age of 12 from a horrible fire and burns over 75 percent of his body, so let him die in an abortion instead." Who are you, or the majority of society, to say that Billy Smith won't go on to live a full, satisfied life...with his burns? You can't, you don't know what will happen.
Just because it makes someone sound compassionate to say "Oh, they'll struggle and have nothing but pain and sorrow in life, so kill them now" is beyond silly. It's ridiculous. Look around you! Haven't you known people that had everything they wanted who could do nothing but complain about their sorry life? Have you never met someone who had little and had to struggle to get that but still walked through life with a smile and touching other's lives for good? I have!
A the point of birth, every life is a blank that only God knows the outcome of. Give life the benefit of the doubt and stop rationalizing the advantages of death.
Where do you want to put yourself, or society, into God's position of deciding that "Well Billy Smith will suffer at the age of 12 from a horrible fire and burns over 75 percent of his body, so let him die in an abortion instead." Who are you, or the majority of society, to say that Billy Smith won't go on to live a full, satisfied life...with his burns? You can't, you don't know what will happen.
Just because it makes someone sound compassionate to say "Oh, they'll struggle and have nothing but pain and sorrow in life, so kill them now" is beyond silly. It's ridiculous. Look around you! Haven't you known people that had everything they wanted who could do nothing but complain about their sorry life? Have you never met someone who had little and had to struggle to get that but still walked through life with a smile and touching other's lives for good? I have!
A the point of birth, every life is a blank that only God knows the outcome of. Give life the benefit of the doubt and stop rationalizing the advantages of death.
barbershoplover · F
Starkizzed21 · 31-35, F
How many weeks? I'm just curious. I do think there is a point of crossing the line, but it's so hard to tell.
barbershoplover · F
@Starkizzed21: She was at 12 weeks when I took her in
Firechidist · 26-30, F
SWisGoingWoke · M
@Starkizzed21: How long can you live outside the womb without external support? Want to know the truth? Try not going to the grocery store, do not turn on the faucet for water...all those are life-support systems that you take advantage of to live. All of them require massive amounts of work by other humans to provide you with what you use to survive.
Think! Stop swallowing the lies of convenience! Be honest enough to admit that abortion is about convenience and death and not about helping and being compassionate.
And as far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, one question for you.
Q: If a group of people known as the mafia donated money to a local orphanage...say 1/2% of their proceeds from criminal activity...would that make them "good" because it overshadows all the crime and death they imposes on others as "The Mafia"?
A: Absolutely not! They're criminals and some pittance they toss into a beggars hat doesn't change the truth of their purpose or activities.
So why do we glow about PP and all the "good" they do when the vast majority of their purpose and income is derived from abortions?
If those "other" services are so important, fine! Continue them. But stop the abortions. No? Why not? Ahhhh, they provide $$$$$ for the cash train to ride. Be honest and stop expecting everyone else to accept the ignorance you have already embraced.
Think! Stop swallowing the lies of convenience! Be honest enough to admit that abortion is about convenience and death and not about helping and being compassionate.
And as far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, one question for you.
Q: If a group of people known as the mafia donated money to a local orphanage...say 1/2% of their proceeds from criminal activity...would that make them "good" because it overshadows all the crime and death they imposes on others as "The Mafia"?
A: Absolutely not! They're criminals and some pittance they toss into a beggars hat doesn't change the truth of their purpose or activities.
So why do we glow about PP and all the "good" they do when the vast majority of their purpose and income is derived from abortions?
If those "other" services are so important, fine! Continue them. But stop the abortions. No? Why not? Ahhhh, they provide $$$$$ for the cash train to ride. Be honest and stop expecting everyone else to accept the ignorance you have already embraced.
barbershoplover · F
@Starkizzed21: I think your 100% right, a girl or women should not be forced to have a baby it thy don't want it or cant afford to pay for it and raise it right
Thy were so help full when i took my daughter in there dor her abortion
Thy were so help full when i took my daughter in there dor her abortion
Firechidist · 26-30, F
@Starkizzed21: In the eyes of God abortion is murder. Life even in the womb is precious. I really dont give a damn what scientists think because they are not God. They dont know what God declares. They are not the all knowing Creator who made life itself.