@PoeticPlay I don't care what credentials you have, status doesn't make you a Christian. And if you were a Christian, you would know why we need a Savior and you wouldn't have to be asking me. Further, your profile doesn't match what you say but speaks of a different lifestyle. You better clean it up. And for a pastor, that's an awfully dark Avatar. The one that says "I do very bad things."
@Cloud7593 Right. But later, Paul does ask the Church of Corinth,“Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life”(1 Cor 6:3)? Which angels the saints are to judge is not made clear, but it could refer to judging fallen angels or demons. Paul doesn’t elaborate, but we will judge angels. That much we know. I believe they will more likely, be demons. Perhaps it will be those who have harassed us and oppressed us all of our Christian life. We just can say for sure, but for sure we can say, the saints will judge the angel’s in the coming kingdom, however, that doesn’t mean we have authority over them today.
@OogieBoogie [quote]ive not heard this story. Where did you find this out?[/quote]
If you are asking about the King of Tyre being in the Garden of Eden, the story is in Ezekiel chapter 28 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel+28&version=ERV [b][i](Read the whole chapter).[/i][/b]
Ezekiel 28:11-19 (ERV) = "11 The word of the Lord came to me. He said, 12 “Son of man, sing this sad song about the king of Tyre. Say to him, ‘This is what the Lord God says:
“‘You were the perfect man— so full of wisdom and perfectly handsome. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God. You had every precious stone— rubies, topaz, and diamonds, beryls, onyx, and jasper, sapphires, turquoise, and emeralds. And each of these stones was set in gold. You were given this beauty on the day you were created. God made you strong. 14 You were one of the chosen Cherubs who spread your wings over my throne. I put you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among the jewels that sparkled like fire. 15 You were good and honest when I created you, but then you became evil. 16 Your business brought you many riches. But they also put cruelty inside you, and you sinned. So I treated you like something unclean and threw you off the mountain of God. You were one of the chosen Cherubs who spread your wings over my throne. But I forced you to leave the jewels that sparkled like fire. 17 Your beauty made you proud. Your glory ruined your wisdom. So I threw you down to the ground, and now other kings stare at you. 18 You did many wrong things. You were a very crooked merchant. In this way you made the holy places unclean. So I brought fire from inside you. It burned you! You burned to ashes on the ground. Now everyone can see your shame.
19 “‘All the people in other nations were shocked about what happened to you. What happened to you will make people very afraid. You are finished!’”
It is very difficult to read the Bible in a paper book format because it's so hard to make connections between ideas in different stories.
I suggest using a site like [b][i]biblegateway.com[/i][/b]. It has all of the English language versions so you can compare passages in the versions to increase your understanding. And, you can search by key words which will give you all of the verses in a version that contains that key word. That also helps your understanding.
For example, the ERV has 18 results for "Eden", which also includes three for the name of a guy. https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=eden&resultspp=250&version=ERV
The KJV has 19 results for "Eden." https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=eden&resultspp=250&version=KJV
The DRA version only has 6 = https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=eden&resultspp=250&version=DRA
Once you get in the habit of doing that it can open-up your mind to a new way of thinking about the biblical stories.
You remember how the serpent tempted Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Now compare that story to Ezekiel chapter 31 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel+31&version=TLB
Can you see the connection between the serpent in Genesis chapter 3 and the Egyptian pharaoh in Ezekiel chapter 31?
@Diotrephes im interested in how the bible is wtitten , and translations. And its history . I think it has history to tell, but that its been translated badly over and over , and symbolism has been taken verbatim. It has so much in it . And i yhink very old complex stories have been abbreviated down so much they contain only the essence of what they once were.
He sounds like satan with this 'perfection '. Maybe he WAS in the garden of eden .
@OogieBoogie [quote]im interested in how the bible is wtitten , and translations. And its history . I think it has history to tell, but that its been translated badly over and over , and symbolism has been taken verbatim. It has so much in it . And i yhink very old complex stories have been abbreviated down so much they contain only the essence of what they once were.
He sounds like satan with this 'perfection '. Maybe he WAS in the garden of eden .
Thanks for the tip , ill check it out.[/quote]
A good site to get get started on the history is https://greatsite.com/english-bible-history/.
You can do further research using those as starting points. You won't find an original copy of St. Jerome's Bible. They use it as a red herring. But if you do, please post it.
People who choose to take opffense will take offense when what they love doing is revealed as evil.. So there is no point in saying ""No offense"" Those who agree with what you say don't need it and those who are against what you say will not accept it..
@walabby I thought they had imprisoned them already? You know, as soon as the guy who promised to "lock her up" took office and started fulfilling all his electoral promises 😌
@Sharon [quote]Summed up as "God does not play dice with the universe." That comment was seized upon by christians as "proof" that he believed in their god.[/quote]
[i]Some[/i] Christians, I assume, but I did not know that.
He did use the word "God" on occasion, though. I suspect his concept of God is similar to mine. I concluded there is God (a number of names could substitute) by way of fact, reason and observation, including information from science, philosophy and the observation of nature, as well as study of the world's religions (including those non-Abrahamic such as Taoism and Zen).
I'm not a Christian nor am I religious. (But I respect all religions).
@DffrntDrmmr Stephen Hawking later disagreed with Einstein saying "God does play dice with the universe and throws them where we can't see them." That, too, was seized upon by some christians as proof that he (Stephen Hawking) believed in their god. However, when he died, there were some christians rejoicing that he was now burning in Hell because he didn't believe in their god. 🤔 There are probably more versions of christianity than there are christians.
I wasn't as impressed with Hawking's mind as some (though he's obviously exceptional). I suspect his unique physical circumstances contributed to his fame. Of course, there were his brilliantly conceived book "A Brief History of Time," and his ideas on string theory, too, but he was no Einstein. 😋
I tend to agree with Einstein's view of it based on the perspective that One underlies all else, including randomness theorized in modern quantum theory. A most elementary foundation has just likely escaped revelation to this point.
Makes me think it's possible that Al reasoned "God" as ultimate reality, as I do.
@Emosaur He clensed me from the inside he healed my inner wounds what more do I need. You wouldn't get it till he enters your life trust me. I was in your shoes once upon a time.
@Lichocolati What evidence have you that whatever you felt was due to one specific god rather than one of thousands of others or even no god at all? Maybe you were helped by Odin. Can you prove otherwise?
@PoeticPlay You make it sound easy and it's not. My life used to be controlled by these demonic voices and I was in my own jail cell all through my teenage years and 20s but God🙌🏾🙌🏾 ...
@Rhode57 [quote]People need someone to blame and a person who to alot doesnt exist or is some fantasy or religious icon is easy to blame dont take it to seriously .[/quote]
Don't take it too seriously? Jesus took it very seriously, when He died on the cross so that your and my sins could be forgiven, and you could have eternal life in heaven with Him.
Honestly believe this is the reason we have so many narcissists nowadays. They seem to be demon-possessed in what they do to others. Very destructive in many ways.
@Lichocolati Why not accept the fact that. They aren’t processed, and that they’re just really bad people ? That’s what I was referring to earlier. You’re blaming demons, for what evil humans are doing.
@cherokeepatti They allowed who ( or what in ) ? You’re still blaming imaginary demons for Basic human greed and cruelty. God gives you free will, and when it’s used in ways he doesn’t like, you scream “the Devil made me do it !”
@Lichocolati Why blame demons ? As you say people are responsible for their actions. Accept responsibility for yours, stop blaming imaginary demons and devils.
@Lichocolati You bring up summoning demons. How many people do you actually think do that in the world today ? Humans can mess up the planet more than a spirit can.
It's because God created this world and the people in it.
I think if God had wanted a world without pain and misery, a good way to approach that would be by not letting people have "free will". Clearly, God can tolerate our suffering because he chose for us to have free will.
This free will is in most cases why people choose to do bad. Of course that doesn't really answer why some people have to get ill or die in accidents, but you could argue that a lot less of us would have problems if we all did fellow the Mitzvot (commandments) and sought to do what God wants.
@SW-User Isn't this contradictory to free will then? If going against gods will results in horrific punishments where is the freedom to decide for ourselves then.
@SW-User There is nothing to say that you still can't make the right choices, lol.
Really though, we need to consider that God was *trying* to discourage practices that were specific to that time, and that it isn't really applicable now. It was also trying to address the responsibility that we bear for other people (particularly our children). If we commit harm and we have children or will have them, then we know that harm could affect them as well. This again points to our free will and whether we, not God, are willing to cause harm to those around us through our actions.
Because if you believe in an omnipotent and omniscient god, then he/she/it knows everything and is responsible for everything.
SW-User
Because it's easier to hold a made up construct accountable rather than yourself or your environment. You just did the same but rather than pointing your finger at god you bring demons into the picture.
Sorcery and demons sound really cool but they are nothing more than imageries people like to play with.
