God of Wonders
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The love of God is wonderfully awesome.
The love of God is wonderfully awesome.
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BlueSkyKing · M
Morality is in the mind—and reason is in the mind. No matter where you look for morality, it all comes down to the mind. Those believers who distrust the human mind are still required to look to some kind of mind for guidance, whether the mind of a god, prophet, preacher or pope. If there were a god, then its moral decrees would originate from its mind. (I am using the word “mind” as a function of the brain, just as digestion is a function of the stomach or circulation is a function of the heart. I do not mean to concede that the natural brain/mind of a human is any way comparable to the intangible, “spiritual” mind of a deity—whatever that might mean—that believers imagine existing somewhere outside of nature.)
Why should the mind of a deity—an outsider—be better able to judge human actions than the minds of humans themselves? Has God ever been thirsty? The human mind and human actions are part of the natural world; the mind of a god is not. Human minds interact with each other in the real world. A human mind feels physical pain. The human mind can know sorrow, grief, regret and embarrassment, while the mind of a perfect deity cannot. Can a god shed a tear, smell a flower or hug a child? Does a god perspire after a day of hard work under a burning sun, or shiver while trudging through a blizzard? Which mind is in a better position to make judgments about human actions and feelings? Which mind has more credibility? Which has more experience in the real world? Which mind has more of a right?
Why should the mind of a deity—an outsider—be better able to judge human actions than the minds of humans themselves? Has God ever been thirsty? The human mind and human actions are part of the natural world; the mind of a god is not. Human minds interact with each other in the real world. A human mind feels physical pain. The human mind can know sorrow, grief, regret and embarrassment, while the mind of a perfect deity cannot. Can a god shed a tear, smell a flower or hug a child? Does a god perspire after a day of hard work under a burning sun, or shiver while trudging through a blizzard? Which mind is in a better position to make judgments about human actions and feelings? Which mind has more credibility? Which has more experience in the real world? Which mind has more of a right?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@BlueSkyKing [quote]Has God ever been thirsty?[/quote]
Yes, He has. Jesus has experienced every human frailty known to man and has overcome everyone of them so He can bring us through the roughest of times in our lives.
Yes, He has. Jesus has experienced every human frailty known to man and has overcome everyone of them so He can bring us through the roughest of times in our lives.
BlueSkyKing · M
@GodSpeed63 No, he has not by a long shot.
There are Christians who will argue that Jesus became human, that the “Word became flesh,” to give the supernatural deity an opportunity to relate to natural human suffering forget that the Ten Commandments were written long before the first century. The Man from Galilee said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18) The Law, according to the bible, originated in the mind of God long before he stuck his toe into our world.
In any event, how can the temporal sufferings of Jesus compare to the sufferings of the entire human race? Did Jesus ever experience the pain of childbirth? The billions of women going through labor are much more life giving, much more nurturing of value than a few hours of self-imposed bleeding on a cross. The short life of Jesus can hardly compare with the suffering of brave heretics who have been persecuted for criticizing Christianity, or with the agony of the “witches” who were burned, drowned and hanged by bible believers (quoting Exodus 22:18: “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”). Nor can the one day of suffering Jesus supposedly endured compare with the Holocaust, the genocide of Native Americans or the pain of those who were tortured during the Inquisition. His supposed contribution to the world hardly compares with the hard work, sacrifice and discipline of intelligent individuals who have dedicated their lives to science and medicine. Just because Jesus was considered a Higher Power does not make his alleged suffering any higher than yours or mine.
There are Christians who will argue that Jesus became human, that the “Word became flesh,” to give the supernatural deity an opportunity to relate to natural human suffering forget that the Ten Commandments were written long before the first century. The Man from Galilee said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18) The Law, according to the bible, originated in the mind of God long before he stuck his toe into our world.
In any event, how can the temporal sufferings of Jesus compare to the sufferings of the entire human race? Did Jesus ever experience the pain of childbirth? The billions of women going through labor are much more life giving, much more nurturing of value than a few hours of self-imposed bleeding on a cross. The short life of Jesus can hardly compare with the suffering of brave heretics who have been persecuted for criticizing Christianity, or with the agony of the “witches” who were burned, drowned and hanged by bible believers (quoting Exodus 22:18: “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”). Nor can the one day of suffering Jesus supposedly endured compare with the Holocaust, the genocide of Native Americans or the pain of those who were tortured during the Inquisition. His supposed contribution to the world hardly compares with the hard work, sacrifice and discipline of intelligent individuals who have dedicated their lives to science and medicine. Just because Jesus was considered a Higher Power does not make his alleged suffering any higher than yours or mine.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@GodSpeed63 You have that Michael Behe clown hanging his entire argument on something he calls ‘irreducible complexity’
[b]Can you give me a single example of irreducible complexity?[/b]
No, you cannot. That’s why creationist websites now advise against using the now-refuted claim
[b]Can you give me a single example of irreducible complexity?[/b]
No, you cannot. That’s why creationist websites now advise against using the now-refuted claim
