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At what point did the entire world stick it's hand out?

Get on youtube and it is nothing but videos of people saying "like and subscribe and here is today's sponsor". That alone ruins most videos.

Go driving and there are panhandlers on ever busy corner.

Go shopping and stores are asking for donations. Yeah, corporations are jacking up prices then asking you to donate. THAT takes nerve.

Turn on the TV and half the commercials are bleeding heart stories from charities.

Can't even enjoy music or videos online without advertisers being pests.

A few people manage to get rich off some niche BS and suddenly everyone thinks they are going to beg their way to being a millionaire.
I loved how I once was listening to the radio and caught how one Chinese woman referred to herself as "an internet beggar". In West she'd be called Youtuber or Influencer. It's nice to hear people calling things by their real name.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@CrazyMusicLover What does "Influencer" even mean? Are they like false Gods or something?

What are they "influencing" people to do? Make their own stupid videos about pretty much nothing?

I do not know but to me, when youtubers or other social media people call themselves "influencers" it just kind of has the same annoying vibe as when sh*tty bosses at work call themselves "leaders".
@SilkenMist Personally, I'd call them entertainers.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@CrazyMusicLover I would agree. I mean it is mostly a befit word.

Maybe that word though is not used because at one point it meant sex worker. Of course some of them hoes on youtube basically ARE "entertainers" in that regard.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
Greed is running and ruining this world. Most charities are not to be trusted since a great deal of the collected money goes to “overhead and expenses”. Someone has to pay to be the sponsors of those videos and yes it ends up being written off as a business expense and tacked on the price of whatever you buy from those companies. I don’t trust stores that ask for donations at the cash registers either. Never know how much of the cash they collect actually goes to the charity they are asking for and how much goes into someone’s pockets & the stores are likely getting a tax credit for the donations. Walmart was bad about coming up with all kinds of things to get employees to donate. We could wear our university’s colors on game days if we donated a dollar, wear blue jeans instead of khakis if we donated a dollar or two, etc. Seemed like something every other day that I worked. Go Fund Me has some sketchy things about them too.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@cherokeepatti I remember a few years ago Walmart was having a food drive for their own employees. It was around the holidays. The backlash was that people were saying Walmart should not be paying so little that people have to ask for donations.

It kind of had the same effect socially as those videos showing doctors dancing around early in the pandemic. Do you remember that mess?
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@SilkenMist Every single week at least one fundraiser was for an employee somewhere in the U.S. because they had been injured or got sick or whatever. They expected other employees to chip in and help them. This after Walmart cut their hours so low that they didn’t have to pay for benefits such as insurance that full-time employees would get. Only a few employees got to work 40 hours a week, overnight floor techs and overnight stockers for example.
popmol · 22-25, M
its people wanting to make their job out of it, and youtube screwing them over, its been proven by statistics by saying such stuff you'll actually get more viewers even though most find it annoying!

plus youtube makes it harder to get money out of it, recently if you say any profanity (they declared something like the N word is equal to a regular fuck or shit) in the video you might get fucked, if you say a profanity in the first 15 seconds you'll get demonotized and so on and so on.

content creators cannot create for free and the money from youtube is far from enough.
popmol · 22-25, M
@SilkenMist well it doesn't really matter what they speak about. its like like a huge river running through out the world, with loads of extra little rivers! everyone mainly uses the big river!
if the guys owning the big river shut it of its their right but everyone is fucked because everyone relied on status quo
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@popmol I think I understood, some of that.
popmol · 22-25, M
@SilkenMist but its more frustrating, because they split the tree for specific groups, one without tax, for kids, than another for for the rest which is taxed but slwoly they are converting the other taxed river into the river for kids but taxed none the less, but thats not what people came for
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
Yeah... it is definitely out of control and for some crazy reason it's as though they say "like and subscribe" as though it's some obligated mantra-of-tradition they have to spurt out not realizing literally EVERYONE says it and it's a massive turn-off. And, the lazy people who insert the same pre-recorded "like and subscribe" message into each one of their videos because they are sick of actually saying each time, but want it out there anyway, are the worst offenders.

I have decided to put them on warning I will start unliking their videos if they don't cut out all that unnecessary and obnoxious repetition. Repetition deserves repetition.
LadyBronte · 56-60, F
And I am sick of it all. "Pay attention to me." "Give me a tip". "Like what i say". 🙄 It is old and I refuse to even oretend to pander to anyone anymore.
LadyBronte · 56-60, F
@SilkenMist Most of them already are....they just don't know it or refuse to accept it.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@LadyBronte I wonder how many will try to make a comeback once they have squandered away their fortunes?

BTW something kind of funny - You know that song "Hey there delilah" when he talks about "Someday I will pay the bills with this guitar"?
You think it means he will be making music but what if it REALLY means he is gonna have to sell it for $50 on craigslist to try to pay part of ONE bill? 😄

LadyBronte, I wanted to say also thank you for tolerating my strange humor :)
LadyBronte · 56-60, F
@SilkenMist Haha. Good question! 🎸🤑😂
Abstraction · 61-69, M
A lot of this simply reflects google's management of Youtube. They make billions from advertising from the work of these people and so it's Google who create these precise behaviours because people don't get paid otherwise.
YouTube also has a habit of spontaneously cutting off their funding without any explanation, no-one to call. They just keep the money. It's the Golden Rule: He who has the gold rules. He who has the gold makes the rules. That's Google.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@MarkPaul Yeah. Nah. Youtube make the rules and profit if they aren't followed. They know exactly how many views any video gets statistically and how many ads have played. They [b]could and should automatically pay the people whose content they have used[/b] but they don't. They refuse to pay unless the person has subscribers and likes, etc. It's a con to make money from other people's work. If people are taking a risk and investing in making a living from Youtube I think its supersilious to sit back and condemn them for asking people who are enjoying their content to take [u]a few simple actions that cost us nothing[/u] and take the money FROM youtube (raking in profits from others) and give it TO the content makers. If your pay depended on your customers doing something really simple and your income was half what it should be and your boss was raking in profits from your work if they don't, what would you do?
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Abstraction I WOULD NOT keep repeating the same thing over and over again on taking action that has by now become statement of the obvious. INSTEAD, I would put out stand-out content and trust my viewers to have the intelligence to know what to do... unless my audience target were morons who had 0.0 memory retention.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@MarkPaul It annoys me too. It is obvious. But that doesn't mean people will like and subscribe. Usually 75% or more of regular viewers don't subscribe according to statistics. If it was you and your income was down, eventually you might experiment with the 'statement of the obvious' and if it worked and increased your income, you would retain it because it works. If you didn't you might be a moron. If they were smarter they would find better ways.
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
[quote] Go shopping and stores are asking for donations. Yeah, corporations are jacking up prices then asking you to donate. THAT takes nerve. [/quote]

That's the only one that is shady, imo. The rest is just people trying to to do a job or survive. Not really fair to look down on them when it's the state of politics that put them there. A ton of people have lost their jobs (kind of funny how more people are unemployed now than before millions of people died during the Covid pandemic- sus as f*ck), and inflation is absolutely through the roof everywhere, including rent costs, groceries, and fuel.

And there is the new phrase the Conservatives are throwing around, "Nobody wants to work", which is completely untrue because statistics show that millenials and zoomers send out more job applications and resumes than any other generation, yet the companies are not hiring (even when they say they are).

Blame the system, not the citizens.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Welcome to capitalism! 😞
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
You trying to impose your wants on people.

You obviously through luck and circumstance have not been in a situation that requires begging.

I know, you'll come back and say you are a self-made person - driving along roads you constructed using power generated and carried by lines you installed.

We would be nothing without the rest of society.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@Zeusdelight I ain't rich but I am not out there begging for BS.

I would not beg anyways cause there are already so many.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@SilkenMist Begging for BS. Is that what they all do?
Rizzle420 · M
How about corporations that take in millions of profit every year but don't pay a dime in corporate income tax because they "create jobs"?... how about we tie their tax rate to the jobs they've created or the people they've laid off?... that would destroy this altruistic job creation fantasy right quick
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@Rizzle420 Oh they create jobs alright - in China or third world nations. Assuming the process cannot be automated.

Also a few years ago president Trump gave the big guys another tax break. I was thinking, "At this point they do not pay tax anyways so how do they get a "break"? I mean wouldn't that be like getting something already for free and someone saying, "Here is another discount."

I remember in the late 90's the Walmart close to my neighborhood had this banner in the store. It showed these three smiling people holding up these measuring cups and something about how the invention of these special cups created three new jobs (probably minimum wage jobs). I thought, "Okay let's talk about the tens of thousands of jobs that big companies have eliminated?"

I do not know how people do not see through it. It is kind of like in school how that one kid got nothing but "F"s on his report card but then that ONE time he managed to get an "A" on ONE assignment (probably an easy one) and suddenly there has to be a town parade just because for 10 whole minutes, little Johnny didn't f*ck up.
Torsten · 36-40, M
because people are soft as shit these days and want handouts instead of doing actual hard work
Torsten · 36-40, M
@SilkenMist do people give them cash from their cars?
Not a surprise they try coming up with bullshit sob stories trying to get sympathy for cash. I could not imagine having no self worth or dignity to do that crap
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@Torsten Some people do hand over cash. I mean I suppose some people write them a personal check. 😄 Sorry couldn't resist.

One time it was some lady my age standing there holding a sign saying she was a "poor college girl". Yeah right whatever,

Honestly, some of the downright theatrical things they do, I would *almost* pay just to see it.

Yeah I live in a big sh*t hole city and see plenty, whether I want to or not.

OH here is one, you are gonna die laughing at this -
So I was in some chinese buffet close to closing time. This homeless guy who had been hanging out in the doorway asking for money finally comes in and asks if h can have a free meal since they are about to close. After some back and forth, the owner says "yes". Guy grabs a plate to scour the limited selection because they are about to close for the day, and the guy is like, "There ain't hardly nothing to eat!"

NOW beggars are wanting to be choosers. They will give rise to the trans-choosers. 😄 People who identify as having a selection. I knew you would appreciate that last part :)
Torsten · 36-40, M
@SilkenMist haha crazy

a poor college kid? pfft i bet. fits with narrative of college kids wanting a free ride these days though lol
I dont envy you at all with living in a big city, especially if that type of thing is the norm

the guys agreeing to that free meal should have kicked him out on the spot after complaining. The balls on some people haha
internet corporations involved in content distribution have left it up to them to embed people in their system to generate mid-level content.

now the desired content at any level can be generated by robots. this is the next stage in the development of internet content distribution systems.
Magnolia21 · 18-21, F
I follow one e-beggar indirectly, he literally watches other streamers and cherrypicks what he thinks will work before he begs. I get it, easy money is one thing, but at least earn it. Plenty of streamers do, but most are, as you said, "Here I am, give me money."
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@Magnolia21 what happens is that somebody will make a fortune doing some really weird thing but then suddenly the entire world thinks they can do the same thing and make it just as rich. The only time that works is if somebody gets in on the ground floor when it's new but then anybody getting in after that is less likely to make it.
Tminus6453 · M
Just use adblock on youtube and "creators" dont make anything off the advertising
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@Tminus6453 oh I do use that, I might mention that the majority of my YouTube activity is looking for music or episodes of old shows and if those channels are even legal to begin with, it's not like some individual person is making a fortune off of it.
Tminus6453 · M
@popmol If they throw in an advertised sponser i just click out right away
popmol · 22-25, M
lol you like no adds, but thats not fair :p free content is never free. either its youtube selling your data and selling you adds or its the video doing sponsor! like i wanted to be fair and not take an add blocker but than they started with multiple adds.
A welfare state is important to our welfare.
Capitalism made poverty important to world domination by the ownership.
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
kinda like me in world of warcraft as a kid, but to be fair i did get a few gold coins
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@MartinTheFirst I used to play Second Life and in one of the noobie regions, every brand new non-alt person was like, "How do I make money in SL?"
Are you asking when it became so driven by the willful acceptance of money?
MrBrownstone · 41-45, M
When GoFundMe was created.
DDonde · 31-35, M
There are studies which show that saying "like and subscribe" works in some way to getting more subscribers. More subscriptions = potential revenue. Potential revenue = more incentive to make videos.
iamonfire696 · 36-40, F
There are people that read Meme’s on tiktok and laugh and have millions of followers and make money doing it.
SilkenMist · 46-50, F
@iamonfire696 one thing, why do they call the social media people influencers?
iamonfire696 · 36-40, F
@SilkenMist because they influence people to purchase things mainly. They become brand ambassadors. Typically celebrities influenced the products we purchased but now a person with a big following gets paid by brands to promote products.

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