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Am I wrong for hating landlords?

I love hearing about people destroying apartments and hopefully putting the landlord in debt. They deserve it and I hope more people start messing up and destroying their buildings. Landlords are no different from parasites
bowman81 · M
No problem, just go buy your own home. Then you can pay the mortgage, maintain, pay taxes, insurance and protect your own living quarters. Can't swing it? Too bad. Would you would rather destroy the buildings and live on the street? Tear it up so everyone else has to pay more because the landlords insurance, and maintenance costs went up?

Landlords provide a service that people need, and decent tenants are needed to make the landlords efforts worthwhile for them as well.
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Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@bowman81 Tenants are why I no longer own rental property. You're working and can't pay in a reasonable time? Why destroy plumbing? Don't be a neighborhood nuisance. I lived in that house and the neighbors are on good terms with me. Those properties were maintained and trouble calls were fixed the same day.
PatKirby · M
@bowman81

Thanks.
Confined · 56-60, M
We have been landlords for years. We used to have a house just for college students.
Years ago we bought an investment property. A black reverend and his family moved in. They were really nice people but never paid a dime in rent. Took us almost a year to evict them. We asked them to move several times. We donated to his church. Told them they were loved but we have a mortgage to pay on this house. It almost got forclosed on.
After that every one paid first last and security deposit. Good faithful tenents got security deposits back after a year.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@UnderLockDown This guy was the most mild-mannered man at work. When he came back and told me what he did I laughed at told him I didn’t think he had that in him. But I think he was right. Why should he have to pay to stay somewhere when those tenants hadn’t paid rent for over 2 months and refused to leave? The heat was about 105 F. For the highs that week so they were either going to have to live in an oven or move out.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@Confined @cherokeepatti The pandemic made it even worse, from a landlord's perspective. When it first hit, before the state did anything, I let it be known that I was flexible if their jobs or livelihood was adversely impacted. Then the state stepped in and protected renters; provided relief for those most significantly impacted; forbid evictions. Needed to be done to protect those truly hurt, but there are always the yahoos who abuse things. I had one renter who collected rent relief from the state, never paid me a dime in rent, and the state would not allow me to evict until last month. She left owing me $4,000 in back rent which the state won't allow me to pursue, and over $5,000 in damages to the unit. Guess what? Rent has gone up to cover the loss and cost.
PatKirby · M
@Confined
A very interesting story, similar one happened to me. A Mormon moved in and not once did he pay on time either. Not once. Was a manager at the Verizon at the local nearby plaza and made up every excuse in the book how he couldn't pay, but was going to make it up on the next rent - better never did. Finally got fed up and posted a 3-Day Pay or Quit notice on his door. Next day I informed him I was going to the sheriff's office and invited him to come, to which he declined. Mr Mormon goody-2-shoes bragged about having a rich uncle, so I told him if his uncle was rich what was he doing here? Liar. He waited until the last 5 minutes and thankfully left my home. Still owes me over $1,375 in unpaid rent.

It occurred to me this man (if you can call him that) never intended to pay on time in the first place, and goes around being dishonest to other landlords and apartment complexes. People who don't pay have not made the mental connection between a landlord offering a product/service and a tenant purchasing said service. It's very simple and similar to a customer paying cash for a product at the counter register. Once you agree to buy the product - it's yours - you've already bought it! They seem to think they've bought it and aren't responsible for paying for it. If they won't be able to pay for it then they shouldn't approach a landlord or an apartment complex acting like they can, when they can't. That's dishonest.

May the fleas of a thousand wild dogs infest his armpits.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
Yes you are wrong. There’s nothing like seeing some scummy tenant destroy the property you’ve spent most of your adult life working for.

Happily with things like rent guarantee insurance policies and building insurance the debt bounces back on to the tenant.
Fluffybull · F
@WintaTheAngle Agree. I've heard far more from landlords about bad tenants than I have from tenants about bad landlords.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
@Fluffybull I spent 4 years working as a bailiff. These tenants who think they’re going to get away with it are in for a shock. Mostly in the form of a financial warrant.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@WintaTheAngle I moved into a little rent house (knew the 3 brothers who owned it, they inherited from their mother). I lived there a year and then moved to an apartment. When I lived in that house I kept it mowed, trimmed the hedge that had been allowed to overgrown for a couple of years, cleaned out a little storage room full of junk including stolen street signs, pumped out the storm cellar, scrubbed the mildew off the walls & bleached it out, trimmed the overgrown roses that hadn’t blooms in years till then, rented a steam cleaner and cleaned all of the carpeted. After I moved out a young guy moved in and had dogs. He went to Dallas for a week and left those large dogs inside and they messed in the house on the carpeting that every room (including kitchen) had to have all the carpet replaced. One of the men who owned it had a carpet business so he got the carpet at wholesale price but had to wear a mask to tear out the carpet, bleach the floor, repaint all the walls, etc. That house was in good shape about 7 months before when I lived there. Only needed the outside trim painted.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
We aren't all bad. I maintain my properties, am responsive to my tenants requests, keep rents as affordable as possible. Destroying the properties only drives up costs, giving the bad landlords -- and I'll agree there are slumlords, profiteers, and just plain arses -- further excuses to be vindictive and raise rents.
4meAndyou · F
I remember my last private 2 bedroom apartment before moving here. It wasn't the cleanest or nicest place in the world. It was old. 1940's. But I cleaned out the hell hole laundry space I was given in the basement so that the cement floors were speckless, cleaned the grease off the tops of the kitchen cabinets, and cleaned the dirt out of every windowsill.

Someone in my family used to call it "Dutch Clean", and when I moved out it was Dutch Clean inside every drawer and cabinet, and the floors were speckless.

The landlord was very appreciative. He was able to re-rent the place immediately when I left, and didn't have to do all the cleaning himself.

People who destroy their apartments are a lower class, IMO.
@4meAndyou Speckless?🤔 Where are you from that this is used? I'm not picking on you, I'm just curious. 🤗
4meAndyou · F
@UnderLockDown Born in Nebraska in a very small town. I had German ancestors on my paternal grandmother's side. Lived in New England for half the year every year till I was 17.
Eternity · 26-30, M
I think that is the case a lot of the time but not all of the time. A lot of people have rental properties and are not rich. Just regular people.

Direct your rage to the guilty; not indiscriminately, because then you are just as bad if not even worse.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@Eternity I know some who have a couple of them and didn’t get rich off off of them. Some eventually sold them due to the hassles. Like when someone moves and leaves a mess, someone has to clean that mess up and spray for roaches and or bedbugs. It’s not as easy as some would think.
Budwick · 70-79, M
I love hearing about people destroying apartments and hopefully putting the landlord in debt.

Confined · 56-60, M
You can be blaclisted as a tenent. No one any where will rent to you. I know a few that no one would rent them a place, they either had to move to another city or be homeless.
That's a 2 way street Chica!! It's difficult to find tenants that don't treat the property like crap. I don't approve of many things a landlord can get away with, but renters can get away with a lot as well. It's a crap shoot on either end.
I hate renting, especially in cali, but sometimes it's the only option. Renting feels like a waste of money to some degree, but it would not exist if there were not a need. The idea is to save enough so you can eventually buy your own, not an easy thing in some places.
I have done work on rentals, some people are nasty!! Some renters can utterly destroy a perfectly good house in a very short time.🤷‍♂️
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@UnderLockDown This is exactly the reason that the homeless are having a hard time finding some place to live here. They get on a housing list for Section 8 housing and are given rental vouchers and no one wants to accept those vouchers now.
@cherokeepatti Having pets is difficult too! My animals are well behaved and don't tear things up. My dog was an absolutely perfect tenant, maybe better than me 🤭, but unless you knew him, you could only assume he would cause the same damage as the guy with the psycho dog tearing up the carpet.
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cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
Yes they are making payments on the housing, paying insurance, interest on the loan, maintenance, property taxes…plus a lot of tenants will leave the properties in messes when they move out.
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dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@cherokeepatti Yeah, and the insurance isn't that much help. I had a tenant who was into drugs and cut holes in the walls and floors to hide the drugs. Then slapped some spackle over the holes in an attempt to not lose their deposit. Cost me to evict them, when I submitted an insurance claim on all the damage they paid a small portion of things but weaseled out on a number of things -- my favorite being the badly spackled attempt to cover up the holes. Claimed it was a home renovation project. Then they canceled my policy.
4meAndyou · F
@cherokeepatti And remember when it was a source of pride that you would die first before you allowed the new tenant or the new owner to move into a dirty house?
Rickichickie · 56-60, F
We have luck with our landlord. We had others before who didn't care to fix things.
Maybe search for another place if you're not happy, just saying.
Justcurious86 · 36-40, M
This is why I think the voting age should be pushed back to 30.
Coppercoil · M
That's why they ask for references and force you to leave big deposits. Ive rented all my life.. ive no love for landlords.. but in they end the system always wins. Seems like you might like the van life.. basically youll own it after the payments. Seems a better use of money and will give you freedom as well.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Yes you’re wrong and acting like a dumb kid who has yet to grow up
PatKirby · M
@carpediem
^Bingo^ I've been a landlord for over ten years. Treat me with respect, I treat you with respect. Adults understand that language. Children in adult bodies want free shit and they think the world owes them something.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@PatKirby it’s so clear
SW-User
I do believe we should abolish (private) landlords. People shouldn't be able to own several homes especially not when they want to use it as an income source.
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@Confined govt housing is great here in Germany
I don't think all landlords are bad but housing being subjected to the free market is sickening. It shouldn't be a for profit service.
Confined · 56-60, M
@SW-User enjoy while it lasts. WEF wants to take over and triple all rents and become slumlords with no recourse. Germany seems to be welcoming in these communists the same as they did in the 1940s.
PatKirby · M
Perhaps we should revisit the basics.

ViciDraco · 36-40, M
I don't believe landlords should really exist. I do not believe housing should be used as an investment or for profit service.

But at the moment it is. And while some landlords are shitty, some are just people trying to get by and doing something they think might earn them a living. Either way, I do not believe in retributive acts like this. Better to be the better person and move on. The eye for an eye garbage leaves everyone blind. It really sucks sometimes, but if you want a better world the best place to start is with yourself.
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@ViciDraco I completly agree! I understand the hate against landlords but the destruction won't solve the problem.
then why do ya live there? just asking
BigAssLeech · 31-35, M
Decommodify housing ✊🏽 You're on the right track
SW-User
Landlords are the worst!
So what you are saying is that you like hearing about rents going up and rentals being more difficult to secure because landlords are more selective. That’s cool.
Yes you are wrong to stereotype all landlords — but you know that so I guess you posted this looking for an argument
Longpatrol · 31-35, M
Surely the lease agreement has a legal barrier against such activity?
And how are you any different from them then.
SW-User
Sounds like a post meant to upset people.

I have had some bad landlords but never thought about wrecking the home...even worse than it was.

I had one landlord who wouldn't fix a hole in the roof. His grown children made excuses for him and it never got fixed.
Another landlord gave me a notice for my pretty petunias touching the house. lol And once for a bird nest in the garage.
I have other stories, but don't have all day to post them.

I think you get crappy landlords (slumlords) when you are lower income and can't afford the best.
Still, to ruin things even more is spite and nasty.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
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Woofwoof15 · 26-30, F
@Rhode57 never saw it like that. After seeing the rent increases and how horrible landlords can be- I started to hate them
PatKirby · M
@Woofwoof15

Good I'm glad you hate us, that's a two-way street. We don't owe you a living or a place to stay. Now pay up or move along, there are many others behind you who can pay. That's how the market works. If you can't afford it, move to another city or move back in with your parents, sounds like they kicked you out because you didn't grow up before you left. Now excuse me while I collect the agreed upon rent from my tenant who came highly recommended and I share my weekend barbecue beef that I cook because he's reliable, friendly, and most of all respectful.

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