@RedBaron NOT IN THAT QUESTION. Since you can’t comprehend,I’m done with you.

@MrBrownstone I explained that the reply button didn't work on your relevant comment. Not my fault. Try to be flexible.

@NoGamesTolerated the left wing just need to go away. They are toxic to humanity.

@Baremine absolutely correct!!!

@hippyjoe1955 Only source of income is very unlikely isn't it.. especially as a retiree, you don't have pensions there?? and it's one thing to be a source of income but that in no way compares to being a roof over a family's head!

@Adaydreambeliever So here in Canada your public pension is about $900 a month. Renting a small apartment is about $900 a month. The cost of food is about $300 a month. The cost of utilities is about $300 a month. Assuming you don't own or drive a vehicle bus fare is about $100 a month. So where is all that money going to come from if not your savings (a house you bought for rental purposes)?

@hippyjoe1955

From the sky no doubt.

@DeluxedEdition But Trump is the one who declared that the troops must leave... and he started the process... Short memory?

@Callmewhatyouwill No. They are people.. and it's their home. Way to go put lives below money and profit, turn families out onto the streets.

@Adaydreambeliever it's not their home, they rent it under a legally binding contract. They're in breach of that contract and are using someone else's property without paying.

Who's gonna pay for the upkeep, taxes and mortgage on those places? That's what the rent pays for. It doesn't just line the home owners pockets. Those places cost money.

Nevermind that that stupid moratorium violates private property rights of those who own the properties.

The people squatting are thieves, nothing more.there are ample jobs available, they've been given stimulus check after stimulus check.they need to pay their bills.they don't have an excuse for freeloading. Under normal circumstances they would have been evicted a year ago. So save your moral grandstanding they're in the wrong.

@FreeSpirit1 she isn’t interested in making sense, every post she makes is done with the intent of making out that some other group of people are evil and/or stupid. She’s a bitter old lady.

@SW-User I wanted to answer you as I respect you and your posts and I see you have written in a reasonable and reasoning way. So I wanted to offer a thoughtful reply.

I actually agree with you. This is about the government and what they should do. Here, no question they would receive housing benefit.. the landlord would be paid, no one would be out on the streets. Totally!! And this supports what I said.. these are people, they must not be treated like they don't matter.

I have been frankly appalled at the shockingly callous way people on this thread have inability to place themselves in others shoes or to show compassion.. THAT to me is the scariest thing about what America seems to have become? I find it hard to even believe there ARE people like that.. let alone that they can sleep at night!

I won't be responding to the 'ignorants' who have responded as I am afraid they are a lost cause, they are unable to learn or to benefit from reasoning discussion. If I felt it would do any good and help them to become less totally lacking in compassion. I'd ask them to actually consider, at a human level what they are saying.. I am not sure they are able to do that? They seem unable to see that they could get sick? Be out of a job? Be unable to pay? what then? Do they deserve their family, pet, possessions all with no roof over their head?

I guess I am compassionate and more able to see and empathise with others. I offer my own example.. I have worked hard all my life, workaholic. I raised three kids, all with disabilities, I worked in education for 18 years - poorly paid but I needed a job that fitted round my children and their needs. Now, I've suddenly developed a hideously painful condition where I can't walk. It's not hard to see then.. that if I had a job, I'd lose that job.. I can barely leave the house at the moment.. so I can't get another job.. what then? Many people rent.. should I, my kids, my dog, my cats, my tropical fish, my koi, my giant african land snails and all my possessions, many with huge sentimental value be cast out on the street? Where would I go? I can't work, I wouldn't be able to pay for storage for my stuff? What about my pets? What would happen to me?

Under the words of some on this thread this is all my fault and I deserve to rot, my kids and pets deserve to suffer just because I suddenly got sick and can't work?

That's an unacceptable, mean, callous and inhumane way of seeing things. It is also pretty stupid as they have not considered the same can happen to any of us..

As it happens I am currently ok.. I own my house outright, and I retrained a few years ago into a profession where I can work from home or online. But surely we owe it to ourselves and others to at least be able to imagine and feel compassion and understanding for others who are less fortunate through NO fault of their own?

Lastly.. actually though LOTS and indeed most rentals ARE owned by huge corporations.. really they are.. and even if they aren't.. those who can afford to own a second or third home to rent out are in a way better position than those who are working hard, struggling but, may have lost their job to covid, or may have got suddenly sick and are unable to work.. For them it's income yes, but they have a roof over their head and so they are better off than those renting who can't now afford to pay that rent or to feed families. Government should step in.. for sure! No one should lose out but least of all those least able to survive, i.e. the renters

@Adaydreambeliever I appreciate you taking the time to respond respectfully to me, I hate doing this but, I feel I must point out that you started off on this thread with a very sarcastic response to FreeSpirit, who did not offer a callous initial statement or response. She's right about this not being a political issue here in the states.

I agree with you that many people on this site are very verbally abusive and immediately go on the attack saying some horrendous things to others. I'm not happy with the direction the World, the U.S., the internet, or this site is headed. People are cruel and vicious towards each other like nothing I've experienced before, and over what? A simple difference of opinion. No one can force another person to change their mind through verbal abuse. I actively attempt to avoid those people and side step arguments. I'll admit, sometimes my dander gets up to the point that I'll occasionally get drawn into something that I had no intention of being involved in.

I appreciate your sharing your personal experience with me and, I do understand why you feel the way you do. Without getting into a long winded explanation of how our system is different than yours, suffice to say we don't have all the social programs (or money behind to run them) you have over there and every state has a different tax structure they depend upon to run it. My state, New Hampshire, is heavily dependent upon property taxes to run everything. And, while maybe in the UK large corporations are landlords, that's simply not the case here. While many landlords here are listed as business entities, most of them are individuals filing as limited liability corporations/partnerships. It's a legal way of ensuring they don't lose their other personal assets if they are sued over anything regarding the building they're using. This article, if you're interested, might help you to understand what I'm saying:

https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr-edge-frm-asst-sec-061118.html

[quote] This study also shows that when PHAs and HUD are considering policy changes, they need to be aware that the more than 10 million individual investor landlords are quite different from the fewer than 1 million business entity landlords. The individual investors manage and maintain their properties themselves — often on a part-time basis and with limited professional training — whereas the business entities typically have full-time professional management companies managing their properties. [/quote]

Now, like you, there are people who are legitimately in need of help and if our local, state, and federal governments don't find a solution, the amount of homeless out on the streets are going to be completely out of control. Most of us recognize that you need to offer a helping hand to your neighbors when they're in trouble, and many of us do step up.

However, on the flip side of that, I have lived in a depressed area of this state where I saw firsthand how people will "work the system." There really are people who don't want to work, have drug problems they refuse to get help for, keep having children even though they can't afford them, and are receiving welfare, food stamps, and section-8 help to pay rent. They destroy the homes they live in. The small landlord is responsible for fixing things, even if the tenant purposefully destroys the property. They have no recourse because there's no one to sue. So, their insurance for the property is sky high. Obviously, there's a lot more to it than what I've laid out here but, these people ruin it for the people who really do need a helping hand. There are only so many resources to go around.

I've heard from friends who own or manage shops/stores that have complained they can't find workers because they can't afford to pay what the federal and state governments were handing out to people during the pandemic. These workers, during the shut down, have been making more money not working. So, we have restaurants, and many other businesses, that are desperate for workers. At the moment, profitability is very low so they can't afford to raise wages. It's a Catch-22 problem.

IMO, the main issue here in the states is that over the past 40 years, our salaries have not kept pace with the cost of living. We are experiencing a major inflationary period where many people think as soon as the pandemic is under control, prices will decrease. For various reasons, I don't believe that will occur. I think the high COL is here to stay. In any event, these small, what is referred to as, Mom and Pop landlords, who have worked hard to acquire property to use as a source of income, will be forced into foreclosure if they aren't offered a moratorium as well. But, the government needs the tax income, as well as all the other companies which need to be paid (insurance, water, electric, etc) in order to function. Both tenant and landlords will lose. The only ones who will win are the large corporations and rich businessmen who dictate what our government does. The majority of our politicians, on both sides of the aisle, are completely out of touch with mainstream America, especially men like Trump and Biden.

@Spotpot constitutional to make a property owner use his property for others not to pay? How do you figure that?

@Spotpot What does this have to do with the constitution or the law? This is theft no matter how it is sugar coated and no it has not been to court so the legal and constitutional bits are highly suspect.

@Spotpot it's not constitutional. Biden's press secretary said as much.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/8/10/22618646/bidens-eviction-moratorium-unconstitutional-jacob-sullum

@TexChik
Yep landlords have to pay bills as well.

@Baremine That’s what happens when you have no critical thinking.

@PatKirby not according to democrats.

@RedBaron Bernie is full blown communist !

So are most of the leaders in the Democrat party if You look hard.

@Majorsite Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party. He is independent and caucuses with Senate Democrats. And he privately owns property, which means, by definition, that he is not a Marxist. Go read some history and refresh your knowledge of what Marxism means. It's very easy to throw around labels without thinking.

@SooperSarah Do I remember correctly that the moratorium came from the CDC? Not sure what the CDC has to stop rent collection.

@hippyjoe1955 If I remember correctly landlords can demand rent. I'm not sure what good that actually does them though.

@SooperSarah Exactly. If you can't get evicted for non payment of rent why pay rent?

@Majorsite I’m definitely not a fan of Kamala. Obama isn’t that bad though. He even said recently that he’s against wokeism.

@RopinTexan Well, It's high time that Republicans stop trying to work with Democrats, And concentrate on beating them soundly until They're destroyed.

Or Our country will be lost.

@Azlotto Sadly for some it does

@Azlotto then when they are in too deep that property can be grabbed up at a bargain.

@Callmewhatyouwill as usual she just wants to go on about how everyone else is stupid and evil. She’s such a bitter old lady

@pianoplayingsteve oh I know. No real substance

@Callmewhatyouwill second person today I’ve found to confirm what I’ve said about her, up until then I just thought she had it in for me. But no seems she spends a lot of time behind her screen spewing her hate. I know it must be hard for her, but if she spent some time working on herself, she’d be less hateful

@Spotpot what does profit have to do with people squatting in houses they do not own?

You seems to have a gross misunderstanding of how little profit there is in renting your property

@Callmewhatyouwill he also seems to believe that the money required to maintain the properties just falls from the sky for the landlords

@Spotpot the right accepts reality. There is no free lunch. Someone has to pay the bill. REALITY