Do u believe that Jesus existed here years ago on Earth ? 😇✨
Yes I believe. I believe that a very humble man came here years ago. He had a life as a carpenter. And that he was a martyr. And that He was crucified for our sins. His tomb is also still open today. Comments.
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It's very likely that he existed given the consensus among both modern and ancient historians. The issue is whether or not he was the son of God and performed miracles, and there is no historical evidence to support that claim. And before anyone interjects, the Bible does not count as a historical source. We don't even know who all wrote it or for what exact purpose
@TinyViolins I think there are people who have gifts that defy science and conventional thinking. Small minds say it's not possible. Big minds have already seen the unseen. 🙂
@TinyViolins Actually there is evidence of Him performing miracles. We have His charge sheet used to convict Him. One of the charges was sorcery. IOW He was performing miracles.
@hippyjoe1955 We have a charge sheet in the Talmud, but that doesn't count as a historical example since it was written hundreds of years after when Jesus would have died.
@hippyjoe1955 Not according to people that actually study history objectively. Believing it's true is just people grabbing at straws to confirm what their mind has already made up
@TinyViolins So you are accepting Iliad even though the extant copy we have of it is over 600 years newer than the original but you doubt the New Testament where the extant copies are less than 150 years old.
@TinyViolins You choose to believe what you choose to believe. The facts are otherwise. The Bible has been shown to be historically accurate time and time and time again.
@hippyjoe1955 Alright, let me list my facts: -Consensus between modern and historical scholars -No [u]historical [/u]evidence to support miracles -Complete authorship of the Bible unknown -Charge sheet in Talmud hundreds of years after Jesus' time -Iliad attributed to Homer, though authorship uncertain
Now, let's go over your facts: -One of the charges was sorcery (according to the Talmud)
You're not using reliable sources to vet your information. You're just starting at a conclusion and working backwards with tenuous evidence and examples to confirm what you've already set your mind to believing regardless
@TinyViolins I guess since you have never experienced miracles you think they can never happen. I have experienced miracles so I have no trouble believing they happen. Your lack of experience doesn't make your case. It shows your ignorance.
@hippyjoe1955 I never said they can never happen, but nice straw-man there. That said, your experience doesn't dictate everyone else's truth. There's a difference between perception and reality, and true ignorance is believing they're the same
@TinyViolins Nice strawman. The only reason you could have for doubting miracles in the Bible is because you think miracles can't happen. If they can happen and do happen you have no reason to doubt that they happened as described in the Bible. Nothing the Biblical narrative is out of the norm if you have indeed experienced miracles.
@hippyjoe1955 The Bible doesn't have a monopoly on divine intervention. Myths and religions from all over the world have stories of gods using their supernatural powers to intervene in human affairs.
I doubt the miracles that have no credible or unbiased witnesses. I question the validity of a lot of things that don't have solid evidence to support them. I'm okay with admitting when something isn't certain because I'm not egotistical enough to think my beliefs are the only correct ones.
@TinyViolins You have a closed mind. We will leave it at that. Many people are like you. Sucks to be one of them. I like millions of others have seen miracles and even those thousands of years ago can describe what I experienced. I read a book of an ancient Roman. He described and experience he had with the miraculous. I could identify with every emotion he expressed because I had had a very similar experience. Thousands of years apart yet the same unprompted experience. Had I read his book first I would say he influenced my experience but after my experience I read his book.
@hippyjoe1955 You have the nerve to call someone close-minded and then have the nerve to assume you know me well enough to lump me in with everyone else you deem pitiful. That's textbook bigotry.
You don't even have a clue as to how clueless you really are
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]You're just starting at a conclusion and working backwards with tenuous evidence and examples to confirm what you've already set your mind to believing regardless[/quote]
