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I Am Tired of People Abusing the Word "Socialism"

"Socialism has never worked." If this is something you have said, or even agree with, please watch this.

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St0ut · 51-55, M
At 10 minute mark you explain the greatness of Catalonia anarchy as a workers paradise without mentioning :

No rule of law:

Everybody created his own justice and administered it himself...Some used to call this 'taking a person for a ride' [paseo] but I maintain that it was justice administered directly by the people in the complete absence of the regular judicial bodies."

— Juan García Oliver, Anarchist minister of justice, 1936[92]

Thousands murdered:

We do not wish to deny that the nineteenth of July brought with it an overflowing of passions and abuses, a natural phenomenon of the transfer of power from the hands of privileged to the hands of the people. It is possible that our victory resulted in the death by violence of four or five thousand inhabitants of Catalonia who were listed as rightists and were linked to political or ecclesiastical reaction."

— Diego Abad de Santillán, editor of Solidaridad Obrera[93]

Antony Beevor estimates the total number of people killed in Catalonia in the summer and autumn of 1936 at 8,352 (out of a total of 38,000 victims of the Red Terror in all of Spain).[97]
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
@St0ut you guys decided you wanted to police the world after WWII. You shouldn't be bitter that others benefited from that decision.
St0ut · 51-55, M
@Dolimyte I am not. I am just stating the fact that you could not afford socialism if you did not have us.
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
@St0ut I disagree. It would perhaps be more of a challenge, but not impossible. The free market isn't the answer to everything, just as socialism isn't either.
St0ut · 51-55, M
At the 1- minute mark. The Zapatista : With mentioning :
All of these projects (Cañadas, PIDSS, Prodesis) have been criticized for being actually counter-insurgency projects, aimed at controlling and pacifying the population, rather than improving their living conditions and resolving the conflict by addressing the land issue. Because of scepticism among the target groups of these programs (for lack of consultation, transparency and democracy, by being top-down and counter-insurgent, and having no respect for the population or local organizations) many projects fail.
St0ut · 51-55, M
Ok a few things.
A: This is straight propaganda. You are equating socialist policies in a capitalist system. I.e. Norway which which relies mainly on its oil export to provide thier socialist policies but making money along the way. That is not socialism.

B: your pfp is from a corporation ergo you are by difinition support a capitalist system.

C: name one socialist govt that did not devolve into a dictatorship police state.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@St0ut [quote]C: name one socialist govt that did not devolve into a dictatorship police state.[/quote]


UK. France. Italy.
St0ut · 51-55, M
@HerKing none of those are socialist they are capitalist with some socialist policies
St0ut · 51-55, M
@16:18. The people went along with it because of security and food. The definition of a police state
St0ut · 51-55, M
@HerKing Lol. Yes. There was not a police state to enforce socialism and they where voted out. You are exactly correct
HerKing · 61-69, M
@St0ut What? They were initially voted in and needed no police state. Conservative governments were equally voted out. No police state. Italy had almost continuous socialist governments until well into the 80s from WW2. No police state.
St0ut · 51-55, M
@HerKing no they had capitalism with socialist policies. The communist where voted out in 1948. Again not socialism again even that failed
St0ut · 51-55, M
@17:38. All of these positive examples are alll capitalist econmonies . But socialism works folks
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Actually it has never worked and never will work unless you want everyone to live in a stone age culture with your little tribe fighting every other little tribe you come in contact with.
St0ut · 51-55, M
Ahhh at 9:15. The real socialism has never been implemented therefore it must work. User china Vietnam’s Cuba Venezuela dont count. Ergo socialism has never failed
St0ut · 51-55, M
@14 min mark. We get to Norway which I knew was coming before I even watched the video. Lol. No that’s not socialism. That capitalism. You just mislabel it to for your agenda
St0ut · 51-55, M
@16 min the longest lasting socialist govt. again not a socially govt. it was a monarchy with heavy taxation. Was the Incas. From 13th to 16th century what happened to them again?
St0ut · 51-55, M
Remeber when the Berlin wall fell. And all the West Germans adopted socialism under a new unified Germany ? Ohhh that didn’t happen. Wonder why
HerKing · 61-69, M
@St0ut Nope...Germany turned against the Honecker dictatorship that was East Germany. But the unified Germany didn't adopt the East Germany model because it involved oppression; Something Germans really don't like (I was in Germany in 92 and it was still very raw and fresh, it wasn't universally popular either)
St0ut · 51-55, M
Minute 4:30 mark. Quotes snippets that are ‘socialist’. But Jesus said give unto ceaser what is ceasers which is left out of your video
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@St0ut Isn't it funny how socialists who hate with a burning hatred Jesus and all He said use Him or His Words out of context to bolster their arguments. They have no idea what Jesus actually said or what He actually meant. The really funny part is that the early church in Jerusalem went full socialist/communist and in a very short period of time ran out of 'other people's money' and existed on the charitable donations of other churches. The account is in the Bible and Paul speaks of taking a 'special offering' to Jerusalem. He also insisted that everyone work for a living and not simply mooch off the church as was what was happening in Jerusalem. Socialism NEVER works.
St0ut · 51-55, M
@15 mins we get into historical socialism. All examples are Monday’s and dictatorships. Lol. The pharaoh controlled all product distribution.
St0ut · 51-55, M
At 13 minute mark. Democratic socialism. At 13:30. There are no real world examples of this
St0ut · 51-55, M
And we finish with. Socialism works as long as its done under a capitalist democracy.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@St0ut Except it inevitably drains the economy of its wealth and vitality even under the capitalist security blanket.
lorne13 · 61-69, M
thanks for posting

 
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