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Why isn’t Trump releasing Epstein stuff?

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emiliya · 22-25, F
I don't know. Why did Biden not release the information? Was Kamala going to?
Ranconteur · 31-35, MNew
@emiliya the Dems didn’t run their platform on releasing the Epstein files.

Trump, Vance, Kash, Bondi etc. all said they would, and are all now saying they won’t.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Ranconteur Do you think they should have released the information? Why were the Democrats not interested?
Ranconteur · 31-35, MNew
@emiliya who knows. There might be names in those files that would be embarrassing to them too. Clinton did appear on released court docs, as did Trump which is how we know about him flying on the Lolita Express, and girls being groomed from Mar-a-Lago.

But again, it was Trump who campaigned on the Epstein files. To backtrack now, and in such a stark manner, is really telling of his complicity.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@emiliya Nope democrats shouldn't release the information you wanna know why? Trump hanged himself metaphorically. Someone knew Trump was in the list and decided to let Trump cover it up after running on the platform which sowed distrust among his base. Trump disavowed his own base earlier, said they needed to let the epstein hoax go and that it was all a lie.

This basically just showed that Trump isn't going to go with his word after they hyped up having the documents in the first place.

Whoever decided not to give it to the public was brilliant, it showed Trump to be a liar. Someone in the Biden administration era knew this and let Trump metaphorically hang himself.

I think that's great and if democrats were smart they'd just let Trump cover it all up.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Ranconteur Bill Clinton was on Lolita Express many more times than Trump, who only took it a handful of times. Virginia Giuffre was only girl recruited from Mar-a-Lago. Her father worked at Mar-a-Lago, and this is how she became employed there. She said that Trump was friends with Epstein, but that he never touched her and did not go to the island. She said that Trump did not have sex with Epstein's girls. Clinton, according to her, apparently went to the island.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger You seem to care for the female children and vulnerable women involved. Your concern for them shines through what you say. I am dazzled by it.
Ranconteur · 31-35, MNew
@emiliya Everyone knows Clinton is suspect. Notice no one is defending him.

The fact that any girl was “recruited” from Mar-a-Lago, and we’re pretending Trump just didn’t know girls were being groomed, whilst his best mate brings a 14yo to Mar-a-Lago. It’s Jimmy Saville all over again.

The idea that because this one person never saw him doing anything suddenly absolves him of guilt? Be serious.

There’s a reason why Trump is desperately covering for Epstein. And it’s not because he’s got nothing to worry about…
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Ranconteur You need evidence to say a person is guilty. Trump has now asked that SDNY release information. Why don't you petition the judge to do it?
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@emiliya
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger You seem to care for the female children and vulnerable women involved. Your concern for them shines through what you say. I am dazzled by it

I know right? Just like your post about how the 80 victims of Weinstein couldn't be believed because they want to be famous. Don't practice projection politics, it's not a good look.

As far as Trump and Epstein goes, I don't see you caring about Epstein's victims and calling for Trump to be investigated with his many crimes. You don't strike me as the type of person who cares unless a person like me wants to mention it.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger I am no feminist. You are. Do you care about women or not?

I say that Weinstein is not guilty, and for good reason. He never raped the women. He asked them to perform oral sex or have intercourse with him, and if they refused, they did not get the part. They would then be told to leave. This is not rape. Weinstein is having second retrial in New York and is seeking retrial in California.

What are Trump’s “many crimes”? Who has he raped? Who are his victims? Virginia Giuffre said that she never saw Trump visit the island, and was of the view that he did not have sex with the girls.
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Ranconteur · 31-35, MNew
@emiliya
and for good reason

There’s no good reason.

He’s been found guilty of raping two different women, and they both involve forcible penetration, whether orally or otherwise. He knew he had no consent to carry out those acts. It wasn’t just him asking for permission, and sweetening the deal with movie roles (which is bad enough), but he actually forced himself onto these women against their will. That’s literally what he’s been found guilty of.

“Seeking retrial” doesn’t make him innocent.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Ranconteur The way that people excuse his behavior is sick, this is exactly why people don't want to come out that got assaulted
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Ranconteur He was acquitted of raping Jessica Mann in retrial. 2020 trial was found to be “unfair.” He remains guilty of one criminal sexual act in New York case, and one in California case. They are two women out of dozens of women he allegedly raped. Miriam Haley's account appears to be a sexual encounter she chose to engage in, and the Jane Doe Italian actress who met with Weinstein in Los Angeles is likely similar. I question her account. It is dramatic, fanciful, and not believable. He is seeking retrial in California. Maybe they will overturn this conviction. If the Italian actress was penetrated with an object and given oral sex by Weinstein, I am assuming she chose to engage and was not raped. How is an adult woman raped in this circumstance? They were in hotel. She could not have screamed or attempted to leave room?

All women can claim they are raped if this is all it takes to accuse men and put them in jail.
Ranconteur · 31-35, MNew
@emiliya Nonsense.

He remains guilty of one criminal sexual act in New York case, and one in California

Wrong. He is guilty of four counts of forceable rape.

Miriam Haley's account appears to be a sexual encounter she chose to engage in

He was literally found guilty of forcibly performing oral sex on Haley. Therefore, not consensual.

The other case isn’t “likely similar”. In fact, it’s worse. He was found guilty of forcible rape, forcible oral rape, and forcible rape with a foreign object.

I am assuming she chose to engage

Why? You think if a woman doesn’t scream, it doesn’t count as rape? That’s disgusting. You’re ignoring the very real power dynamics between men and women, and how in a situation where a much larger man imposes himself upon you, sometimes it becomes just about surviving. People shut down, freeze up, black out. Your mind does whatever it can to block out trauma. You’re acting like women who are raped could just choose not to be, which is gross and infantile.

I don’t know why you’re batting so hard for a convicted rapist. Find a new hobby.
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