There IS no "list". We have already seen the flight logs, and that is all we will ever see or know about who flew with Epstein, and where. INTELLIGENT criminals do not keep client lists.
@4meAndyou she was asked about the Client List specifically in the question - ‘ and she said it’s sitting on my desk to review’ [media=https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ohPJk8Ukbpo]
Because they never had any intention of releasing anything. It was something that grew on the internet and became popular with Trump supporters, so they promised to release more Epstein info (in particular a "client list") once in power. Now that they actually are being tasked with doing it, they realize they can't (because they don't have what they promised, because it implicates people in power, etc.) Trump is hoping it will go away now, but it doesn't seem to be going away.
In either case, Trump is in his second term and isn't going to resign over this, so he likely can just keep ignoring it until eventually it stops being talked about.
This is stale now. Trump wants to release grand jury testimony, which would no doubt be safer for him and would require a judge to sign off on and thus get blamed by Trump if it goes badly.
Honestly, I dont get why this release would bother Trump so badly given what other depravity MAGA seems to whole heartedly cheer on, but I'm getting won over to the idea that Democrats should capitalize on this as opposed to other issues.
This whole episode is really confusing. Daily news claims he will release the files, then they claim there is nothing. I kinda believe Dershowicz. He claims he has seen redacted documents with names. Lets see all of it
@Patriot96 The only problem with that is the fact that not all people who may be on any sort of a list were clients of his nefarious enterprise. So at the very least redactions need to be made. Also, as I understand it, Epstein didn't have a "list". The "list" is a compilation of what was researched by LE.
Trump is on Epstein's list and there's evidence against him that if it came out would be an issue as he would have to be arrested. The Supreme Court is also paid for so right now Trump can do whatever he wants
@SatanBurger And not just the community. Trump's intimidation of everyone is kind of key. He's already done a number on the press, and every federal employee is petrified.
Since his name and a lot of his close buddy's names are on that list, he will do everything he can to conceal it. We may have to wait until the end of his presidency in 3.5 years (when the next president is elected) to find out!
@Ranconteur He was acquitted of raping Jessica Mann in retrial. 2020 trial was found to be “unfair.” He remains guilty of one criminal sexual act in New York case, and one in California case. They are two women out of dozens of women he allegedly raped. Miriam Haley's account appears to be a sexual encounter she chose to engage in, and the Jane Doe Italian actress who met with Weinstein in Los Angeles is likely similar. I question her account. It is dramatic, fanciful, and not believable. He is seeking retrial in California. Maybe they will overturn this conviction. If the Italian actress was penetrated with an object and given oral sex by Weinstein, I am assuming she chose to engage and was not raped. How is an adult woman raped in this circumstance? They were in hotel. She could not have screamed or attempted to leave room?
All women can claim they are raped if this is all it takes to accuse men and put them in jail.
He remains guilty of one criminal sexual act in New York case, and one in California
Wrong. He is guilty of four counts of forceable rape.
Miriam Haley's account appears to be a sexual encounter she chose to engage in
He was literally found guilty of forcibly performing oral sex on Haley. Therefore, not consensual.
The other case isn’t “likely similar”. In fact, it’s worse. He was found guilty of forcible rape, forcible oral rape, and forcible rape with a foreign object.
I am assuming she chose to engage
Why? You think if a woman doesn’t scream, it doesn’t count as rape? That’s disgusting. You’re ignoring the very real power dynamics between men and women, and how in a situation where a much larger man imposes himself upon you, sometimes it becomes just about surviving. People shut down, freeze up, black out. Your mind does whatever it can to block out trauma. You’re acting like women who are raped could just choose not to be, which is gross and infantile.
I don’t know why you’re batting so hard for a convicted rapist. Find a new hobby.
@carpediem Of course, no one is asking that question. Remember when the rumor was that Clinton has something do to with his "suicide"? What happen to that?
I think it's fair to say, that from this day forward, anyone defending the Republican party for refusing to make the Epstein list public - will not be listened to ever again.
While the Epstein list issue has fractured MAGA, it will not break their support for President Trump. That happens later this year when tariffs make food and energy impossible for the avg American to buy.
Yes, but indirectly. Mid-term results will be fixed to maintain status quo. Growing public distrust in government, rising cost of living and the resignation / removal of key members of leadership (defence, treasury, justice) will energize local reformers and resistance groups. Open revolt isn't far away 😔
