Capable of clear thought? Who are we speaking of? If, after 2 years of all sorts of investigations and court cases, not one shred of proof has been uncovered to support your accusation, then I would have to say the only people incapable of clear thought is the right.
After two years of investigations and court cases involving 2020 voting fraud there have not been any examinations of voting machines closely held by election officials suspected of voting machine fraud, have not a single courtroom willing to examine the fraud claims in a public trial, have not been any evidence that no fraud occurred, and so forth.
Your own research and you use the TGP as a source? It's worse than I thought. Research requires facts, TGP nor you are even remotely acquainted with facts. Now I'm past sorry for you, I'm laughing at the sheer stupidity of the remarks you make.
Don't be silly. I have hundreds of lof sources.
Fact Check-Claims that 17,690 ballot images from the 2020 Presidential election are missing in Fulton County, Georgia | Reuters
Fact Check-Claims that 17,690 ballot images from the 2020 Presidential election are missing in Fulton County, Georgia By Reuters Fact Check
Correction July 28, 2022: A previous version of this article stated there was no evidence that 17,690 ballot images were missing in Fulton County, Georgia. Fulton County said some files were not maintained after 2020, but claimed this was not required by the law at the time. This correction changes headline and lede, removes verdict, edits paragraph 8, adds paragraphs 9-13 to include new statements from Fulton County and links to the Georgia Rule pertaining to storage of results for primaries and elections.)
More than a year after U.S. President Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, social media users are claiming “17,690 ballot images” are missing in Fulton County, Georgia. County officials told Reuters they recounted all ballots from the general election three times. This July 2022 update includes new statements in paragraphs 9-13. Examples can be seen here , here and here .
The text in one post reads: “All in-person ballot images are MISSING in Fulton County, GA. Fulton is also missing 17,690 mail-in ballot images – which alone is more than the entire margin in Georgia.” Some posts include a clip of a press conference given by Garland Favorito, an activist who led the lawsuit against Fulton County alleging election fraud, discussed here . The full video can be seen on YouTube here , where Favorito makes the claim that 17,690 ballot images are missing from Fulton County.
One America News Network journalist Christina Bobb said in a tweet (here) on Nov. 9, 2021: “ALL in person ballot images in GA are missing. 17,690 mail in ballot images are missing. This is FRAUD. So, GA has no way to verify that the ballots are legitimate reflections of what went through the machines.” Gabriel Sterling, chief operating officer for Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, responded to the tweet (here) by saying: “Nothing other than the first count, the hand re-tally, and then the recount. This is a lie…and a truly dumb one at that. They have all of the actual ballots that have been counted 3 times.”
The office of Georgia Secretary of State sent the following statement by Raffensperger to Reuters via email: “Georgia votes with paper ballots, and all of the actual paper ballots from November’s election were counted three times, including a 100 percent hand recount in which teams of poll workers touched and saw every vote cast. There is zero doubt that three counts of the ballots resulted in conclusive results on who won the election in Georgia. Wishful thinking by conspiracy theorists cannot change the outcome, no matter what immaterial technicality they claim to have identified this week.”
Favorito directed Reuters to his website (archive.ph/Au355 ). In June 2022, Professor of Statistics at Berkeley Philip B. Stark shared a declaration with Reuters (here) (see paragraph 63) where he says, “Fulton County did not produce the image file corresponding to every cast vote record” and “17,852 image files are missing.”
Fulton County officials told Reuters in July 2022 that, “At the time, the law did NOT require that the files be maintained, meaning, there were no requirements or guidelines to maintain ballot images from the ICP scanner used for advance voting and election day before the November 2020 election.” They added that, “Once the law was subsequently clarified, Fulton County complied with keeping the files from then on.”
Georgia Rule 183-1-12-.13 containing sections (a), (b) and (c) and pertaining to the storage of ballot returns in state elections and primaries can be seen (here). It was amended in October and November 2021, adding sections (a)(1) and (a)(2) for further clarification.
Michael T. Morley, Sheila M. McDevitt Professor of Law at Florida State University College of Law, explained to Reuters, “it appears that, at the time of the 2020 election, nothing in Rule 183-1-12-.13 expressly required election officials themselves to keep either the original electronic ballot images, or an electronic copy of them, after the period for requesting a recount had elapsed to make them available for public inspection.” He told Reuters the amended rule now “appears to resolve any potential ambiguity or uncertainty about the scope of election officials’ obligation to themselves retain a copy of ballot images.” This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .
I wasn't looking for them and it has zero do do with voting or voting machines. Nice try, come back when you have something to say.
If democrat voters had any sense they would have demanded the FBI be purged of partisan goons who attempted to pay a known liar 0ne million dollars to come up with something they could falsely charge Trump with to get rid of him.
Voting machines hooked up to the internet can be hacked and that's why the voting machines were not hooked up to the internet and voting machines are never hooked up to the internet.. Trump was told that, the my pillow guy was told that but they kept claiming the machines were hacked with no proof.
Do you realize that "voting machines" are not the same as "ballot counting machines"??
You guys seem to be confusing the two kinds of machines a lot lately. We've pretty much gotten rid of all electronic voting machines, so they're really not an issue.
What Trump is complaining about here are ballot counting machines, not voting machines. Needless to say, his complaint is groundless.
If the machines were altering the count like Trump claimed, how come the hand count matched the machine count so closely???
In all, there were 126 counties within 10 votes of their original vote tally, according to the audit data. Of those counties, 54 counties matched their initial results exactly. No county had an error rate higher than 0.73% compared to their original results.
I do believe the democrats made a film about the voting machines, how they were open to fraud, can’t remember what it was called, but quite a few democrats took part in that, I do believe Kamala Harris was one of those
@Slade I don't know what will happen this coming November, but whatever happens, your kind will still be the minority. You will, as always, be ineffectual and quite disastrous to our nation. If you win, you win, but it won't be for more than a couple of years.
@marke So you're claiming democrats rigged elections in dozens of districts but forgot to rig the downballot races?? ROTFL!!!
Truth is, the fact that Republicans won more down ballot races but lost the presidency is STRONG evidence that some Biden voters also voted for downballot republicans. In other words, a cohort of republicans voted against Trump. I realize that's too much of a conceptual leap for sporty to follow.
@JimBeam there is a lot to discuss about voting problems... like why is it on a work day and not a day off... thats cutting a significant part of the population from accessing the election. or like give people a whole month to cast their vote... and many more technical aswell as ideologically issues with voting systems. most of them stem from hundreds years ago when there wasnt technical solutions we could easy implement today. but if you think anyone who got voted into power is ever gonna change the system that got them into power that would be naive.
1. Life in prison for voter fraud 2. We all vote online. 3. We all vote via our registered fingerprint or eye retina scan. 4. The voting process would span no more than 24 hours. 5. The results would be posted in real time. 6. No more counting ballots. 7. No more ballots ending up in the trunks of cars. 8. No more excuse that it's a racist system.
I talked to a guy online, and he said everyone in his country voted via their smart phone.
But another thing that pisses me off, is the way the primaries are done. Why does Iowa or New Hampshire get to go first? The process begins on the East coast, and they get about 25 candidates to choose from. By the time the folks on the West coast get to vote, we might get two choices if we're lucky. There's no reason we all can't vote in the primary on the same day. This is no longer the horse & buggy days.
Natural News is a fake news site. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/
Does that mean you are prepared to prove the report false? If you are trying to claim that security logs were not deliberately removed or that photo images of ballots were not destroyed then you are in far over your head for propagating lies. There is no excuse for those security measures and devices being removed or destroyed apart from voting fraud.
Crucial Logs Missing From Michigan County Dominion Voting Machines: Forensics Report (theepochtimes.com) SEARCH
A Dominion Voting Systems Election Management Server pictured in a photo from a report by Allied Security Operations Group. (Allied Security Operations Group) MICHIGAN Crucial Logs Missing From Michigan County Dominion Voting Machines: Forensics Report By Ivan Pentchoukov
December 14, 2020 Updated: January 26, 2021 A court-sanctioned forensic audit of voting systems in Michigan’s Antrim County determined that crucial security and ballot-adjudication logs were missing from machines by Dominion Voting Systems, the company at the epicenter of the dispute over whether voter fraud occurred during the 2020 general election.
The findings are part of a preliminary forensic report (pdf) written by Russell Ramsland, a former Reagan White House official who has worked for NASA and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Kevin Elsenheimer, the chief judge of Michigan’s 13th Circuit Court, approved the report for release to the public on Dec. 14. According to the report, both the ballot-adjudication logs and the security logs for the Nov. 3 general election appear to have been removed; logs for prior elections are still present on the machines.
“The adjudication process is the simplest way to manually manipulate votes. The lack of records prevents any form of audit accountability, and their conspicuous absence is extremely suspicious since the files exist for previous years using the same software,” Ramsland wrote. “We must conclude that the 2020 election cycle records have been manually removed.”
Dominion CEO John Poulos disputed the report’s claim in testimony before a Michigan Senate committee on December 15.
“The adjudication claims are entirely false,” Poulos said. “In Antrim County, ballots are reconciled manually. What the report is alleging is impossible because Antrim County does not license nor use digital adjudication. Furthermore, digital adjudication requires the use of ballot images. Antrim County did not record absentee ballot images.”
The Michigan attorney general and secretary of state responded to the report’s release by describing it as “misguided, vague and dubious.”
“If the Trump campaign had any actual evidence of wrongdoing–or genuine suspicion thereof–they could have requested a hand recount of every ballot in the state,” Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said in a statement. “They did not, instead choosing to allow shadowy organizations claiming expertise to throw around baseless claims of fraud in an effort to mislead American voters and undermine the integrity of the election.”
The absence of the adjudication logs is particularly alarming because the forensic exam found that the voting machines rejected an extraordinary number of ballots for adjudication, a manual process in which election workers determine the ultimate outcome for each ballot.
The Federal Election Commission allows for an error rate of 0.0008 percent, according to Ramsland. The machines his team examined in Antrim County had an error rate of 68.05 percent, the report states.
“Because the intentional high error rate generates large numbers of ballots to be adjudicated by election personnel, we must deduce that bulk adjudication occurred. However, because files and adjudication logs are missing, we have not yet determined where the bulk adjudication occurred or who was responsible for it,” Ramsland said.
Michigan Bureau of Elections Director Jonathan Brater, in a court filing, said the report “makes a series of unsupported conclusions, ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections, and suggests without explanation that elements of election software not used in Michigan are somehow responsible for tabulation or reporting errors that are either nonexistent or easily explained,” the Detroit Free Press reported.
Erik Grill, a Michigan assistant attorney general, told the judge on Dec. 14 that Ramsland’s preliminary report was “inaccurate, incomplete, and misleading.” Haider Kazim, an attorney for Antrim County, said the report contained several errors the county believes were based on “faulty assumptions and incorrect assumptions.”
Ramsland co-founded and manages the Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG), which includes former officials from the Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, and Central Intelligence Agency. The group focuses on cybersecurity and open-source network penetration testing.
ASOG examined Dominion products in Antrim County earlier this month as part of a lawsuit stemming from the post-election flipping of roughly 6,000 votes between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. The plaintiff, William Bailey, disputed the official explanation that the votes were shifted due to human error.
The ASOG team inspected and performed forensic duplication on the county’s election management server, compact flash cards used by local precincts in their Dominion ImageCast system, memory sticks used by Dominion Voter Assist Terminals, and memory sticks used for the poll book.
Security Logs In addition to missing adjudication logs, the examination found that the systems are missing security logs prior to 11 p.m. on Nov. 4. “This means that all security logs for the day after the election, on Election Day, and prior to Election Day are gone. Security logs are very important to an audit trail, forensics, and for detecting advanced persistent threats and outside attacks, especially on systems with outdated system files,” Ramsland said.
“These logs would contain domain controls, authentication failures, error codes, times users logged on and off, network connections to file servers between file accesses, internet connections, times, and data transfers. “Other server logs before November 4, 2020, are present; therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for the security logs to be missing.”
Evidence Preservation The Amistad Project, an election integrity group, filed evidence preservation requests in five battleground states in response to the findings of the Ramsland report.
“We’re filing in all swing states a demand that judges step in and preserve evidence to avoid it from being destroyed or spoiled by the intentional or reckless acts of executive officials,” said Phill Kline, the director of the project.
Amistad had previously filed post-election lawsuits in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. “The error rate detailed in this report has implications for every state where we have litigation, and it comes on a day when officials are blocking legislators from having their say about elections in their states,” Kline said in a statement. “This joins with other compelling evidence that the elections in these states cannot be certified under the law.”
Designed to ‘Influence Election Results’ According to Ramsland, the errors unearthed during the forensic exam appear to be a feature, rather than a bug. “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud,” Ramsland wrote.
“Based on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan. We further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified.”
The report was released to the public shortly before presidential electors convened across the nation to formally cast their votes for president and vice president. In Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Georgia, presidential electors for Trump cast their votes despite their states having certified the Democratic electors.
“WOW. This report shows massive fraud. Election changing result!” Trump wrote on Twitter on Dec. 14. The preliminary report didn’t include the underlying data ASOG examined. Ramsland had previously filed an affidavit with a major error in it as part of an election lawsuit brought by Lin Wood. The affidavit mixed up counties from Minnesota and Michigan.
‘Votes Can Be and Were Changed’ The ASOG team visited Central Lake Township on Nov. 27 to inspect the Dominion ImageCast Precinct system. Central Lake Township Clerk Judith Kosloski presented the auditors with two ballot tabulator tapes, one produced on Nov. 3 and another on Nov. 6.
Kosloski told the auditors that Connie Wing of the County Clerk’s Office instructed her on Nov. 5 to retabulate the ballots that were counted on Nov. 3. The second tabulation altered an estimated 1,474 votes in a precinct where a total of 1,494 votes were cast, the auditors estimate.
The massive shift included a school board race in which one candidate gained 742 votes and another lost 657 votes, printed tapes provided to the auditors show. In another school board race, 657 votes vanished in a second tabulation of a race that had 663 votes cast on the first count.
When the auditors visited the Antrim County Clerk on Dec. 6, they discovered that two different versions of election software were used for the machine that tabulated the Central Lake Township ballots. In total, the use of the two software versions altered more than 60 percent of the votes, “inexplicably impacting every single election contest in a township with less than 1500 voters,” the report states.
Politicians lie. Media lies. Companies lie. Government lies. It has become such a mish mash of falsehoods, evidence destroying, and intimidation tactics that none of this can be proven or disproven. When so much effort is put into suppressing something rather than openly and transparently investigating it, one has to conclude that something is there.
@Riverman2 All I'm asking you for is just a SHRED of counter-evidence. Just show us a shred of evidence that ballot counting machines somewhere somehow gave wrong results in the 2020 election you are disputing so heavily.
You've got nothing though, except baseless accusations that I'm a flat-Earther. SAD!!
@ElwoodBlues Who the hell do you think you are? You do not get to decide what people have to post. You already ignored everything that others provided. Troll on dude.
I think I'm an American citizen enjoying the right of free speech. I think I'm a person who encourages fact based debates. I think I'm a person who values evidence.
You already ignored everything that others provided.
@wildbill83 @ididntknow Why would we send innocent people to jail. Trump is an evil man who's deeds are finally catching up to him. I know it's a very sad time for conservatives right now but please try to cheer up 😁 Biden will continue to steer us in the right direction.
Nobody ever said it can't be done. Everything connected to the internet can theoretically be hacked, including banks, stores, etc. But the security is usually good enough for most people to trust them.
@hippyjoe1955 I'm not willfully blind. You've just not given me anything to look at, again. And unless you do, there is nothing further to discuss, so bye.
But, you said they used an illegal search warrant. That is false. That means you lied. That makes you a liar.Try again.
The extremely small number of voting machines that investigators have finally gotten access to by court order have been discovered to be missing vital logs, making it impossible to determine if any fraudulent votes were cast. There could have been no fraudulent votes cast, but why are the logs missing that could prove that?
The Russians just hacked the computers of various airlines. Anything can be hacked.
Hillary claimed the Russians hacked the DNC computers but did not allow the FBI to examine the computers in order to find the culprit. Besides, Hillary must have been told the FBI had already been tracking hackers thought to be Russian for years and just didn't tell her before.
