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Ynotisay · M
This whole thing is a little 'scary' to me. She's a hardcore Conservative. She understands politics. She's even-keeled. And just because she had the audacity to stand for the truth, the Constitution, and Democracy, she's labeled a traitor.
There's people out there now living in a world that doesn't exist outside of their own twisted minds. They've been manipulated to think they're patriotic when they're the exact opposite. I know how it happened and who it appeals to. But the fact that so many have gone all-in with, in my mind, a criminal con man, doesn't give me much confidence moving forward.
If there was EVER a time to end the Electoral College, which gives the Democracy / Law & Order haters WAY too much power in government, we're on a road that will eventually hit a brick wall.
There's people out there now living in a world that doesn't exist outside of their own twisted minds. They've been manipulated to think they're patriotic when they're the exact opposite. I know how it happened and who it appeals to. But the fact that so many have gone all-in with, in my mind, a criminal con man, doesn't give me much confidence moving forward.
If there was EVER a time to end the Electoral College, which gives the Democracy / Law & Order haters WAY too much power in government, we're on a road that will eventually hit a brick wall.
@Ynotisay I share your fear, but this is not surprising, and I think the distinction between Conservatives, hard core or not and Trumpists, is long since obvious.
Who t F knows what these people stand for besides Trump, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with honesty or "conserving" anything worthwhile.
Who t F knows what these people stand for besides Trump, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with honesty or "conserving" anything worthwhile.
Ynotisay · M
@MistyCee If you ask one of those people what they're against you're sure to get a laundry list. If you ask them what they're for? It'll probably come to "Freedom" (with a capital 'F') or "America."
I'm not sure if there is much of a distinction between Conservatives and Trumpists any longer. Cheney is proof. I think there's a line in the sand. If someone votes Republican now they're voting Trump and his ideals. It's unfortunate, because it dismisses real Republicans which is important in our Democracy. But it is what it is. The only thing I can see coming out of this that could be beneficial is rendering the party moot at the voting box and having them build back up in a way where fascism doesn't play a role. We'll see.
I'm not sure if there is much of a distinction between Conservatives and Trumpists any longer. Cheney is proof. I think there's a line in the sand. If someone votes Republican now they're voting Trump and his ideals. It's unfortunate, because it dismisses real Republicans which is important in our Democracy. But it is what it is. The only thing I can see coming out of this that could be beneficial is rendering the party moot at the voting box and having them build back up in a way where fascism doesn't play a role. We'll see.
@Ynotisay Let's hope. I really don't see outright fascism being as much of a problem in the near future as society getting uglier and uglier as lying to the other and committing crimes becomes acceptable as long as you can get away with it or blame it on someone else, be it corrupt judges, juries, fake news, or an overarching conspiracy by a corrupt government they have a right and duty to resist by force?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Her politics are horrible but she is also honest.
I'm sure most GOP politicians know Trump's election stuff was a lie but go along with on to keep the crazies in their base. She wouldn't and she lost.
I'm sure most GOP politicians know Trump's election stuff was a lie but go along with on to keep the crazies in their base. She wouldn't and she lost.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SomeMichGuy Its just cynical convenience. They are intelligent and highly educated people. I don't think Ted Cruz (Harvard Law star student and successful legal career) could believe any of it.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Burnley123 If you tell lies enough, when do you stop seeing the differences?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SomeMichGuy Good point.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Cheney and McCain both are and were two Republicans that I could honestly respect.
Nothing more needs to be said really. Yet this beings me back to when McCain passed away...
All former past presidents, alive at that time, was at McCain's funeral barring one standing president.
I can't stress this more!
Both Republicans as well as Democrats barring one standing president!
Nothing more needs to be said really. Yet this beings me back to when McCain passed away...
All former past presidents, alive at that time, was at McCain's funeral barring one standing president.
I can't stress this more!
ALL of them!
Both Republicans as well as Democrats barring one standing president!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Heartlander
Quite correct! ... AFTER 45 trashed him once again after his death!
The narcissist has absolutely no respect! For the dead or not!
Hence the UNINVITE!
I sure as heck didn't trash McCain either.... After his death!
.... Garbage reply ....
Trumpets are not republicans!!! I know Republicans when I see them. Lincoln would roll over in his grave to consider 45 a Republican.
They have honor and respect! Like both Bushes as well as Elizabeth Cheney!
As I recall, McCain specifically un-invited Trump to McCain's own funeral.
Quite correct! ... AFTER 45 trashed him once again after his death!
The narcissist has absolutely no respect! For the dead or not!
Hence the UNINVITE!
I sure as heck didn't trash McCain either.... After his death!
.... Garbage reply ....
Trumpets are not republicans!!! I know Republicans when I see them. Lincoln would roll over in his grave to consider 45 a Republican.
They have honor and respect! Like both Bushes as well as Elizabeth Cheney!
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@DeWayfarer McCain was always a rino.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@nudistsueaz he was a TRUE conservative.
Not like these fake conservatives that have no respect nor honor.
I had true, life long, republican family as a kid that respected him in the 60's and 70's! There was no such concept as a RINO back then. Might as well consider Regan a RINO or Nixon a RINO.
Regan actually switched parties. And so had 45! That last by your thinking makes 45 as well a RINO!
Not like these fake conservatives that have no respect nor honor.
I had true, life long, republican family as a kid that respected him in the 60's and 70's! There was no such concept as a RINO back then. Might as well consider Regan a RINO or Nixon a RINO.
Regan actually switched parties. And so had 45! That last by your thinking makes 45 as well a RINO!
Graylight · 51-55, F
I'm not a Republican, never have been. I'm vocally against some of the policies Cheney supports and let's not forget, you can't choose your family but her father is the Devil.
But she's got my vote. Not because Trump figures in here in any way. Not to "get" anyone, not because I think she's becoming a Democrat, not because I think she'll bring about my particular brand of Utopia. Because she's a woman with education, values, identifiable ethics and the backbone to do the hard thing.
I may not want to get to the other side of the coast by someone else's route, but I'm sure happy not to be walking.
But she's got my vote. Not because Trump figures in here in any way. Not to "get" anyone, not because I think she's becoming a Democrat, not because I think she'll bring about my particular brand of Utopia. Because she's a woman with education, values, identifiable ethics and the backbone to do the hard thing.
I may not want to get to the other side of the coast by someone else's route, but I'm sure happy not to be walking.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Trump could poo in the mouths of his supporters and they would eat it up like ice cream.
SomeMichGuy · M
@trollslayer A sad, disturbing, but potentially true statement!
black4white · 56-60, M
@trollslayer Sad truth SIR
Heartlander · 80-89, M
A one issue politician and that one issue wasn't anywhere close to what the people thought to be their top priority.
This next election is about what Democrats are doing to America NOW, and what they plan to do in the future. Her hopping in bed with the same people who gave us 6 years of Russia-collusion hoax said more about Liz Cheney than it did about Donald Trump.
Liz Cheney took the bait and fell into the same trap that John McCain fell into with the Democrat stooge media. They like her not because of her, but because she's a thorn in the Republican party's side.
Donald Trump isn't the top issue of the November election, Joe Biden is.
This next election is about what Democrats are doing to America NOW, and what they plan to do in the future. Her hopping in bed with the same people who gave us 6 years of Russia-collusion hoax said more about Liz Cheney than it did about Donald Trump.
Liz Cheney took the bait and fell into the same trap that John McCain fell into with the Democrat stooge media. They like her not because of her, but because she's a thorn in the Republican party's side.
Donald Trump isn't the top issue of the November election, Joe Biden is.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Heartlander
Rest assured that if it was the Democrat side doing something like this you'd be out with guillotines, considering how outraged y'all were about a mailserver that turned to be a big nothingburger.
And we still haven't seen the entire unredacted report.
Russia-collusion hoax
If you're referring to the Mueller investigation - it led to 36 different individuals being successfully prosecuted for felonies. Among them, Trump's campaign finance manager, campaign manager, Trump's lawyer, national security advisor. It also demonstrated that Trump's campaign shared polling data (U.S. citizens info) with Russian Intelligence, that Russia tried to help Trump's campaign and that Trump's campaign was aware Russia tried to help. Rest assured that if it was the Democrat side doing something like this you'd be out with guillotines, considering how outraged y'all were about a mailserver that turned to be a big nothingburger.
And we still haven't seen the entire unredacted report.
They like her not because of her, but because she's a thorn in the Republican party's side.
Yes, everyone actually agrees on this and she certainly knows it too. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Heartlander ROTFLMAO...@U!
SomeMichGuy · M
@Elessar A fine coup de grâce
Sighs. Who will be her allies, though?
I'd love to see America have two or more political parties actually seriously focused on running the country better for everyone, but Liz's vision for it in terms of policy is pretty radical compared to, say, Joe Lieberman, and I'm not sure where she's going.
I'd love to see America have two or more political parties actually seriously focused on running the country better for everyone, but Liz's vision for it in terms of policy is pretty radical compared to, say, Joe Lieberman, and I'm not sure where she's going.
SomeMichGuy · M
@MistyCee Agreed, but her near-term goal is best for the nation.
@SomeMichGuy Sighs. I agree with that as well and hope she figures out a way to make it work.
Thereyouare · 56-60, M
6 years ago the people of Wyoming decided to give her a try they didn't like her she didn't do what she was supposed to do for her constituents.
And they voiced her opinion of her yesterday leave the people of Wyoming alone you have nothing to do with them keep your damn nose out of it
she will become nothing
She rode in on her daddy's coat tails
Come November we will see what happens
And they voiced her opinion of her yesterday leave the people of Wyoming alone you have nothing to do with them keep your damn nose out of it
she will become nothing
She rode in on her daddy's coat tails
Come November we will see what happens
Thereyouare · 56-60, M
@LeopoldBloom Was incredible the 1st time she ran she won by 70% then turn around and loss by 40 Percent
She definitely did not represent her constituents the way they wanted to be represented.
that was the downfall they are not there for them they are there for us
She definitely did not represent her constituents the way they wanted to be represented.
that was the downfall they are not there for them they are there for us
SomeMichGuy · M
@Thereyouare No. She DID serve Wyoming by serving the truth and upholding her oath of office.
The oath isn't to lie, cheat, steal, abd destroy the Constitution when it "helps" your constituents.
Are you a resident of Wyoming?
The oath isn't to lie, cheat, steal, abd destroy the Constitution when it "helps" your constituents.
Are you a resident of Wyoming?
Ynotisay · M
@Thereyouare Her constituents are brainwashed and sided with a con man. I think it starts and ends there.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
I don;t usually agree with her politics, but she is a patriot and it's no wonder the current GOP Cult turned against her.
SomeMichGuy · M
@ChipmunkErnie Agreed on all points.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
It's so-so funny watching the Democrat stooge media trying to use Dick Cheney to validate the honor and integrity of his daughter, Liz.
Just 12 or 15 years ago they were referring to Dick Cheney as Dark Vader, the man who dragged the US into the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Just 12 or 15 years ago they were referring to Dick Cheney as Dark Vader, the man who dragged the US into the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Heartlander Remember the guy who tole Cheney to gofuckhimself after Katrina?
SomeMichGuy · M
@Heartlander I am no fan of Dick Cheney as VP, shooter of fellow hunters, etc.
Nor am I a fan of his daughter pre-Trump.
But I *am* impressed that *they* have chosen to stand against Trump even to LC's political detriment. THOSE actions are a pleasant surprise, profiles in courage when it is needed most.
Most people wear gray hats...
Nor am I a fan of his daughter pre-Trump.
But I *am* impressed that *they* have chosen to stand against Trump even to LC's political detriment. THOSE actions are a pleasant surprise, profiles in courage when it is needed most.
Most people wear gray hats...
@SomeMichGuy F-ck yeah for grey hats!
Maleovolence without self interest always seemed self defeating to me, unless you believe in a divine being testing folks, and, well... nevermind. I don't want to get into that religious stuff.
Maleovolence without self interest always seemed self defeating to me, unless you believe in a divine being testing folks, and, well... nevermind. I don't want to get into that religious stuff.
black4white · 56-60, M
At least she stood up to the truth and didnt roll over for orangeman and his cult. She will be just fine in life and hopefully she learns to get out of political game because its as corrupt as it gets
Driver2 · M
Let’s boil it down . She hates Trump.
She is part of the elite Republican leadership that know it’s over for them .
She is part of the elite Republican leadership that know it’s over for them .
SomeMichGuy · M
@Driver2 You are a fool, just like Dinesh.
SIXTY (60) COURTS LOOKED AT THE "EVIDENCE" AND SAID IT WAS NOTHING. TRUMP'S PEOPLE WERE LAUGHED OUT OF COURTS AND EVEN SANCTIONED FOR BRINGING BOGUS, BASELESS LAWSUITS. JUDGES APPOINTED BY TRUMP UPHELD THE LAW.
Dinesh isn't going to change that.
SIXTY (60) COURTS LOOKED AT THE "EVIDENCE" AND SAID IT WAS NOTHING. TRUMP'S PEOPLE WERE LAUGHED OUT OF COURTS AND EVEN SANCTIONED FOR BRINGING BOGUS, BASELESS LAWSUITS. JUDGES APPOINTED BY TRUMP UPHELD THE LAW.
Dinesh isn't going to change that.
Driver2 · M
@SomeMichGuy geo tracking cannot be altered.
The tracking was not even used in court .
If geo tracking is not solid you better tel the CIA , military intelligence, Uber, Door Dash, Lyft, Grub Hub etc
The tracking was not even used in court .
If geo tracking is not solid you better tel the CIA , military intelligence, Uber, Door Dash, Lyft, Grub Hub etc
SomeMichGuy · M
@Driver2 Lmao "the ballots were dumped in boxes"...? Which ballots? Where?
Trump lost by MILLIONS of ballots in the popular vote.
The election was NOT stolen, but Trump IS continually trying to steal it back based on zero evidence.
How is it that geo-tracking "evidence" was never brought up? lol
Trump lost by MILLIONS of ballots in the popular vote.
The election was NOT stolen, but Trump IS continually trying to steal it back based on zero evidence.
How is it that geo-tracking "evidence" was never brought up? lol
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
So full of shit Trumplicans