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TexChik · F
That's what happens when you dont have an armed populace protected by the constitution. Tyranny!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TexChik As if that has ever stopped America censoring anti-war views!
TexChik · F
@Burnley123 conservatives dont censor anyone. That is a lib game
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TexChik You have to be joking?
Wow!
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-dixie-chicks-backlash-begins
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/07/cens-j31.html
https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-under-fire-dissent-post-911-america
This is just the stuff I could Google about ONE war. There are many books written about this stuff. Yes, there is liberal censorship too.
Wow!
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-dixie-chicks-backlash-begins
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/07/cens-j31.html
https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-under-fire-dissent-post-911-america
This is just the stuff I could Google about ONE war. There are many books written about this stuff. Yes, there is liberal censorship too.
I had a dear Canadian friend, an older man who was damn near like a second father to me. He has since passed but in the time I
knew him he imparted great wisdom to me for which I will always be grateful!
One night while we were either discussing or watching TV and current events at that time, we talked about, something that led me to remark, “ Many, especially the first and second World wars were those we have been involved in, started in Europe.”
“Very true!” He replied.
Are we reliving what our parents and Grandparents saw in the thirties?
knew him he imparted great wisdom to me for which I will always be grateful!
One night while we were either discussing or watching TV and current events at that time, we talked about, something that led me to remark, “ Many, especially the first and second World wars were those we have been involved in, started in Europe.”
“Very true!” He replied.
Are we reliving what our parents and Grandparents saw in the thirties?
BizSuitStacy · M
@soar2newhighs Definite similarities.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Not once ever in history.. have ppl who lock up journalists and political opposition, been the ‘good’ guys..
BizSuitStacy · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Truth
Similar to the 6 Jan. Commission- how many witnesses have come forward to be cross examined? Some refer to it as Soviet style. Have the people driving and being part of a security detail for Trump and the “ beast” had their chance to refute any accusations about what Trump allegedly did in his limo that day?
And how convenient the Sergeant at Arms suddenly passed! Was he not going to speak?
And how convenient the Sergeant at Arms suddenly passed! Was he not going to speak?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
It's not the reporting that got her banned (from your linked article), its the commentary she made which is seen as pro-Putin and pro-Russian:
It is arguably true that Dombass people are pro-Russian. A certain number are, whether its a majority is a contentious point. That the Zelensky Government was trying to row back the Minsk agreement it just true.
It's clearly pro-Russian commentary and propaganda. I would not though say that this is disinformation.
The controversy around Lipp began in March when one of her videos explaining the history and the context of the war went viral.
In Lipp’s viral video, she said, “you need to understand that Russia has been asking for eight years that the Minsk agreement be upheld. Ukraine did not adhere to it, nor did they approach the Donbas region in an attempt to come to an agreement.”
“Instead, they have been bombing the outskirts of the Donbas region for eight years. They are shooting at civilians, who now also have to live in completely shot-up houses. Very many people have died here,” Lipp continued.
In the video, Lipp alleged that the Donbas citizens who overwhelmingly voted to secede from Ukraine in 2014 had been, “thankful that Russia finally did something”.
Lip added, “Finally, the people here have been liberated from the terror that they’ve been experiencing for the last eight years,” under continuous shelling by the Ukrainian military.
In Lipp’s viral video, she said, “you need to understand that Russia has been asking for eight years that the Minsk agreement be upheld. Ukraine did not adhere to it, nor did they approach the Donbas region in an attempt to come to an agreement.”
“Instead, they have been bombing the outskirts of the Donbas region for eight years. They are shooting at civilians, who now also have to live in completely shot-up houses. Very many people have died here,” Lipp continued.
In the video, Lipp alleged that the Donbas citizens who overwhelmingly voted to secede from Ukraine in 2014 had been, “thankful that Russia finally did something”.
Lip added, “Finally, the people here have been liberated from the terror that they’ve been experiencing for the last eight years,” under continuous shelling by the Ukrainian military.
It is arguably true that Dombass people are pro-Russian. A certain number are, whether its a majority is a contentious point. That the Zelensky Government was trying to row back the Minsk agreement it just true.
It's clearly pro-Russian commentary and propaganda. I would not though say that this is disinformation.
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BizSuitStacy · M
@Burnley123 The issue with the Minsk agreement(s) have been different interpretations by Ukraine and Russia in terms of the gov't to be established in Luhansk and Donetsk. That was followed by various ceasefire violations. Both sides point fingers. Not gonna debate who is right and wrong here...because neither of us knows the real truth.
But there clearly is a lot more to the war in Ukraine than just Luhansk and Donetsk.
Alina Lipp is actually there. Taking video. Talking to people. She's acting as a real journalist, and it just so happens she's not following the western media narrative. For that, they are punishing her, and her father.
But there clearly is a lot more to the war in Ukraine than just Luhansk and Donetsk.
Alina Lipp is actually there. Taking video. Talking to people. She's acting as a real journalist, and it just so happens she's not following the western media narrative. For that, they are punishing her, and her father.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@soar2newhighs @BizSuitStacy Just to be clear, I am arguing against censorship.
My point here is nuanced. I am very ani-Russia in this conflict and I do not believe aspects of her commentary.
However, it cannot be considered 'disinformation' because it's not an outright falsehood. There are opinions here that I think deserve the criticism but not blocking.
My point here is nuanced. I am very ani-Russia in this conflict and I do not believe aspects of her commentary.
However, it cannot be considered 'disinformation' because it's not an outright falsehood. There are opinions here that I think deserve the criticism but not blocking.
BizSuitStacy · M
@Burnley123 Yes. You've been clear about that.
@BizSuitStacy I wish no Ill or harm to the Ukrainian people; and God knows they’re suffering and have suffered enough.
But what is really going on in Ukraine? What HAS been going on in that nation over many years?
American fingers are in that pie of confusion as no doubt are many other nations.
And it appears from news sources many battles are successful for the Russians despite the West’s backing of the current regime thru military aid.
But what is really going on in Ukraine? What HAS been going on in that nation over many years?
American fingers are in that pie of confusion as no doubt are many other nations.
And it appears from news sources many battles are successful for the Russians despite the West’s backing of the current regime thru military aid.
BizSuitStacy · M
@soar2newhighs the war is just a result of the deep corruption in Ukraine and NATO's expansion through eastern Europe. There is a shit ton more going on than meets the eye.
NewBecky · 51-55, F
Locking up journalists should always be a crime in itself, but war is a difficult situation. You can't allow spies or foreign agents to spread false propaganda either. So, truth needs to be revealed! Who are the true liars? It's difficult for me to assess. Video editing can make anyone say anything....
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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Let’s keep in perspective..
All those locking up journalists and political opponents for ‘disinformation’
Spent 5 years convincing you of Russians and plandemics..
And will receive no scrutiny or punishment..
All those locking up journalists and political opponents for ‘disinformation’
Spent 5 years convincing you of Russians and plandemics..
And will receive no scrutiny or punishment..
Catzgano · 31-35, F
Too bad she was lying
BizSuitStacy · M
@Catzgano and you know this because you're there?
Catzgano · 31-35, F
@BizSuitStacy she’s a Russian troll
BizSuitStacy · M
@Catzgano and you know this how? Because CNN said so?
What if any laws did she violate?
BizSuitStacy · M
@soar2newhighs Telling the truth.
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