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anythingoes477 · M
@badminton He was subpoenaed...........and refused. That is why 1000 others of his own...including family....are testifying against him. If you listen to the panel swear in witnesses part of it says "under penalty of perjury...do you swear.....". That is why Trump won't testify and never has on any of his charges. In Florida sitting on his fat ass he can lie until he glows bright orange and nothing happens to him. But under oath...........if he lies it's perjury. So the lies cannot be told under oath. He thinks he can beat prosecution for this if he keeps lying on TV and at rallies..........but lying under oath...he can't do.........or else he goes to jail for that. Since Trump cannot speak without lying.......he simply refuses to testify.
anythingoes477 · M
@badminton No legal team of trump's will ever allow him to testify under oath. Count the number of times he's been accused of being dirty in one scandal or another and he's never testified yet. Whether this is a personality trait or simply how trump has always deal with anything he faced as a way to get out of it......trump is incapable of telling the truth about anything.
His legal teams...and there has been many of them...have all known that and blocked subpoenas for him. If you recall the term ""perjury trap"...that was said multiple times during his presidency when he was asked to give statements.....that literally means his own lawyers know well and completely understand that trump cannot possibly be allowed to testify about anything because when sworn in he cannot lie under penalty of perjury........and his legal teams are positive he cannot give any statement without lying. So the term was coined "perjury trap" to mean if you make him testify you are swearing him knowing he can't stop from perjuring himself under oath...so it's a "trap" to swear him in.
His legal teams...and there has been many of them...have all known that and blocked subpoenas for him. If you recall the term ""perjury trap"...that was said multiple times during his presidency when he was asked to give statements.....that literally means his own lawyers know well and completely understand that trump cannot possibly be allowed to testify about anything because when sworn in he cannot lie under penalty of perjury........and his legal teams are positive he cannot give any statement without lying. So the term was coined "perjury trap" to mean if you make him testify you are swearing him knowing he can't stop from perjuring himself under oath...so it's a "trap" to swear him in.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@anythingoes477 White House Counsel Don McGahn literally begged Robert Mueller not to depose Trump in person, because as he said, "Trump is incapable of telling the truth." He was allowed to provide written statements that someone else with a legal background wrote for him.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
I think just the attempt to suborn the Election results in Georgia should be enough to send his ass to prison, and there's no disputing that, they have him on audio tape basically ordering Raffensperger to corrupt the Election results in his favour...
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@MistyCee You may well be right but the voters don't get to decide to prosecute, that would be up the Georgia DOJ to decide if they want to prosecute him, which hopefully they do. I agree it's unlikely to happen but one can always hope!
@spjennifer I hope so too, but figuring out whether they can get jurors/voters to agree with the facts they present is part of the prosecutors' calculus in deciding to charge, in addition to getting a grand jury to indict.
softspokenman · M
@MistyCee Maybe if Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz and others who asked for pardons were charged with conspiracy and removed from office post haste it would set an example for the GOP and Republican voters in the future.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Of course he did. and on camera, Bless him.. Now the question is, will he (and a substantial group of Republican officials. ) be held accountable.? My money isnt on that. Americans dont do "Responsibility".😷
Jeez. Forget the proof stuff, posting the penalties without citing a definition is lazy SW posting, imo.
Last time I checked, treason and Trump didn't work, as opposed to stuff like sedition, obstruction of justice, fraud, RICO, etc.
Last time I checked, treason and Trump didn't work, as opposed to stuff like sedition, obstruction of justice, fraud, RICO, etc.
softspokenman · M
When the day comes that the DOJ prosecutes, (he will say Persecutes), him they will have no problem convicting him of appropriate crimes.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Irrespective of the particular matter, I thought the USA was one of the world's few countries whose judicial system places the burden of proof on the accuser.
Jungleman · M
Trump is a real american, he fights for the right of every man.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
[media=https://youtu.be/G9YG_WPeYXQ]@windinhishair I guess that's the American way.
LeopoldBloom · M
Sedition, not treason.
Coffeequilt · 51-55, F
This is America. Prove he did.
anythingoes477 · M
@Coffeequilt Exactly what the Jan 6th Commission is doing......proving it without a doubt. When the last one is done over 1000 REPUBLICANS......and zero Dems and Independents will have testified to what Trump and his cronies tried to do to destroy democracy in America so he could name himself dictator of America.
anythingoes477 · M
@Muthafukajones You can say that again. But even more idiotic.......is his cult having 100% of the evidence in front of them of just how corrupt trump actually is.........and then sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling NOOOOOOOOOOOO because they worship a cult leader......who like Jesus...could not possible do what 1000 witnesses...ALL of them Republican...are swearing under oath that he did. Ignorance of facts is one thing......at some point we are all ignorant of knowledge...............but to have full access to knowledge right in front of you...... but refuse to acknowledge it...is a different level of ignorant.
anythingoes477 · M
@Coffeequilt "Not significant voter fraud" was just that............it as there alright but so far the only ones being outed and prosecuted for it............are Republicans. Trump being the #1 who tried the hardest to commit that fraud. Read this.....
https://www.politicususa.com/2021/10/25/the-2020-voter-fraud-has-been-found-and-it-was-committed-by-republicans.html
"Lt. Gov. John Fetterman has been reminding people for months that the only voter fraud found in Pennsylvania was committed by Trump supporters. Out of the 11 cases of voter fraud that Trump and the Republicans claim to have found. Four of them were votes for Donald Trump, and seven of them were not voter fraud. None of them were votes for Joe Biden."
You STILL are buying the lies that trump told you. For weeks now every lie is being systematically exposed from Trump..........and still you can't make yourself believe the truth. That is what a cult is. No matter how bad...or how obvious the lies are......my Jesus is being persecuted.
https://www.politicususa.com/2021/10/25/the-2020-voter-fraud-has-been-found-and-it-was-committed-by-republicans.html
"Lt. Gov. John Fetterman has been reminding people for months that the only voter fraud found in Pennsylvania was committed by Trump supporters. Out of the 11 cases of voter fraud that Trump and the Republicans claim to have found. Four of them were votes for Donald Trump, and seven of them were not voter fraud. None of them were votes for Joe Biden."
You STILL are buying the lies that trump told you. For weeks now every lie is being systematically exposed from Trump..........and still you can't make yourself believe the truth. That is what a cult is. No matter how bad...or how obvious the lies are......my Jesus is being persecuted.
pillowman · M
Why the fixation on trump?
What did he do to you that is worse than what Biden is doing to this country now. I wish someone else was president right now! But nooo you chicken fuckers voted sleepy joe in.
What did he do to you that is worse than what Biden is doing to this country now. I wish someone else was president right now! But nooo you chicken fuckers voted sleepy joe in.
pillowman · M
@softspokenman I can’t hear ya! Speak up!
softspokenman · M
@pillowman Sounded loud enough to me, and loud enough to get your attention. Maybe you should pull the pillows out of your ears 🙉
pillowman · M
@softspokenman I can barely hear ya! Don’t be so soft spoken. You don’t have to be scared!
ExperienceDLT · M
Lets be honest Trump is guilty of many things he is guilty as sin to be honest but id still take his crazy ass over that idiot Biden
Whyme · 46-50, M
@ExperienceDLT gonna have to protest workin people matter
Whyme · 46-50, M
Am i missing something dont you have to be proven guilty not the other way around
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
Burden of proff goes the other way
MartinII · 70-79, M
But you have to prove wrongdoing, not the other way round.
Wiseacre · F
No such proof...but americans dont care about that...they'd vote for him again!
softspokenman · M
@Wiseacre Some might, but that's not going to happen again.