Where do we draw the line of following the lead of “evil people”?

I’ve seen people say the founder of planned parenthood was racist.

The US government hired literal NAZI’S to work for them (I’m offended as a Jew), and I rarely see anyone condemning that.

Volkswagen is also a Nazi brand.
**edit it was ADIDAS and Puma that were founded by Nazi’s.

Adolf Hitler also started the concept of National Parks. Did you stop going to National Parks? No.

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KiwiDan · 31-35, M

The first American national park was created in 1872. And American policy of genocide against the indigenous populations alongside colonialism carried out as "Manifest Destiny" is stated in Hitler's own book as an inspiration for his own policies, so....

666Maggotz ·

@KiwiDan I went to school in Poland during the time I was learning this. I am not American. We didn’t discuss American history.

“They were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows”

http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/nazi_ecology.htm

KiwiDan · 31-35, M

@666Maggotz I'm not American either. Also, literally the next paragraph in the article you've cited (excluding the one that amounts to a citation footnote):

"The fundamental mistake that capitalist apologist Frank Furedi makes is to assume that the Nazi party introduced nature worship into German society. Nature worship in Germany goes back to the origins of modern romanticism. It was felt almost everywhere, from the writings of Goethe to the symphonies of Mahler. Students at the University of Heidelberg had hiking clubs through the entire 19th century. The Social Democracy had such clubs as well and they were viewed as an integral part of the character development of young Marxists. A recent biography of Walter Benjamin points out how important such nature hikes were to him. It was part of the general German culture, which influenced the both socialist and ultraright parties, including Hitler's."

666Maggotz ·

@KiwiDan I’m just going by what I learned in class. I don’t study American history for fun lol

I’m still using the argument. Hitler strongly supported national parks. It still counts. Can you support something a mad lad like Hitler supported and still be a good person? Yes. Just like supporting planned parenthood despite any origins is fine because it serves a good purpose.

SW-User

The U.S. has a long history of doing racist things. Throwing Japanese Americans into concentration camps, killed off entire Native American tribes for land, sterilized Black, Hispanic and Native American women for eugenics purposes. Yet the ones saying PP should be banned because it has a racist history are still living in the states.

SW-User

This is a very good point. So many of the great authors have been antisemitic. I'm also Jewish and hurt by that but it doesn't make me stop reading them. I think in the present, too, we've got to be able to distinguish between the bad things about people, and the good things they give us.

666Maggotz ·

https://historyofyesterday.com/the-nazi-origins-of-adidas-and-puma-ee617aad8b00

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

The trouble with most people is that they tend to engage in the genetic fallacy, sometimes known as the poisoning the well fallacy. As you say, Adolf Hitler created several national parks, which is a good idea, but if one says without context that Hitler had some good ideas during his time as chancellor of Germany, one is labeled a racist. And talking of anti-semites, Henry Ford was viciously hateful of the Jews. I suppose that means that anyone who drives an automobile at all is a racist?

CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M

I think perhaps it is time that humanity learns that no one is 100% good or 100% evil. Not even Nazis.

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666Maggotz ·

@Ferise1 well as I JEW I disagree. My grandfather was only a toddler when he was sent to a concentration camp. Did he deserve that? He was just a CHILD

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666Maggotz ·

@Ferise1 wow. Blocked.

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