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Putin and Ukraine

So (Ras)Putin invades Ukraine under Obama and he will do it again under JoeB, but he didn’t do it under Orange ?
Is it bc they were friends or do Democrats project weakness ?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Putin would have invaded Ukraine in ‘14 regardless of who was in the White House - no US President would go to war over Ukraine, and the timing was perfect.

He didn’t invade Ukraine during the last four years because there was no real point, and because Russians were distracted with Syria.

Whether he invades this time remains to be seen, we’ve been through quite a few of these buildups that end with collective blueballs.

If he decides to invade, the potus is essentially interchangeable - because once again, no US President would go to war over Ukraine.
Putin wanted Obama to look bad in order to pave the way for Trump. And Putin wants Biden to look bad to pave the way for Trump's return.

I just made that up.
@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays Hey it's as good as any lie you would hear on FOX. ;-)
@anythingoes477 FOX loves anything conspiratorial! The paranoia network!!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Ukraine was set to be taken over by the EU and NATO without a military intervention. It was a reaction to Western expansion into what Russia considers its area of influence.

Ita because of those geopolitics, not which President looks like a bad ass.

I have no dog in this fight. I hate Putin and care little for Biden but this is what happened and why.

Edit.

Just because I'm not aiming for popularity here: the idea thar the US did whatever Putin wanted because he had Trump under control is ridiculous. Trump is many things (most of them terrible) but he was never a Russian plant.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 The whole Manchurian candidate thing was completely moronic.
BlueVeins · 22-25
What exactly do you want Biden to do here?
@BlueVeins Nuke Moscow.
ron122 · 41-45, M
Putin knows Bidens a weak old man.
ron122 · 41-45, M
@anythingoes477 Nice to see you still live in Trumps world. Maybe you don't realize it but bad-mouthing Trump Doesn't make Biden look better.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@anythingoes477 I would have loved to see Orange and JoeB throw down lol
ron122 · 41-45, M
@AthrillatheHunt Trumps not a wuss like Cornpop🤣
im calling bullshit.
if p[utin wanted it. hed take it.
the corperate media is just recycling an old boogy man for another distraction.
itll be NK again next month right before a brand new varient.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout 30k Russian troops on the border say otherwise .
@AthrillatheHunt of course that wouldnt not be in response to forces gathering on the other side huh?

the exact same story and play that happened last time. turns out it was putin building forces to repel not invade.

but il just take the word of the media who have time and time and time again lied to our faces..

just to make everyone comfortable
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
Our enemies test us and feel emboldened when they sense weakness from our commander in chief. They fear the American Military, but when they sense that President is reluctant to use it they see just how far they can push the limits.
Pfuzylogic · M
Putin knew how weak and unworthy donny t was. He even closed the doors of their meetings so no one had to see what was going on inside.
Joe Biden is a much more experienced leader that the previous leader could hope to be.
Talk to someone in Ukraine sometime. You can do that with some people on SW. ALL will tell you.........Russia and Ukraine was ALWAYS the same. Same language..same customs....same people....same food...same holidays. Russians have relatives living in Ukraine..vice versa. To a VERY large degree.........if you talk to anyone in Ukraine.....they will tell you the problem with Putin and Ukraine is largely created by our media to serve our own political interests---whose weak...whose strong as president. The people there don't care if Putin comes in or not. To them they are already Russia....like they always were.
@anythingoes477 They both celebrate Christmas on January 7, 2022. 🎄🎄🎄🎄

And both Russian men and Ukrainian men like [b][c=BF0000][u][i]HOT SEXY WOMEN!!!![/i][/u][/c][/b]
I think Putin was frozen in place by Trump because he just didn't want to pull it out of trump's mouth. Not even long enough to invade some other country...trump was just that good.
Tres13 · 51-55, M
Nobody fucked with the Orange man
Uncle Sam needs MAGAman
@Tres13 The Attorney General of N.Y State is fucking with him. Already convicted him of IRS charities fraud......money laundering. Already banned him and his entire crime family from ever being anywhere close to a charity again. Made him repay $2.3 million for money he stole from a children's cancer charity. Florida convicted him of multiple fraud counts in the Trump University scam...he paid $25 million to avoid prison there.

More to come........
Tres13 · 51-55, M
@anythingoes477 MAGAman is a Winner u insect
@Tres13 Yeah.............bigly.

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ididntknow · 51-55, M
Yes, I see that’s the latest story to be pushed by the liberal left wing media
ProfessorPlum77 · 70-79, MVIP
The "Democrats" may "love wars," but George I took us into Iraq and George II took us into Afghanistan and then detoured back into Iraq, a second time. Both were Republicans.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@ProfessorPlum77 uni party and rinos come to mind
Putin didn't have to break deals because Trump just gave him things he wanted.
@ididntknow I brought up Trump because he was part of the discussion on Putin and the past presidents. What does the Taliban have to do with this?
Are you ok?
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@BohemianBoo Didn’t Biden pull of out Afghanistan, let China take over the airport, let Americans die, leave $89 billion in weapons behind, for the taliban
@ididntknow No, but none of that has anything to do with the topic, anyway.
ProfessorPlum77 · 70-79, MVIP
Russia took over Georgia in 2007, I believe. George II was in office at the time.
Honeybum · F
That's a really interesting question...🤔
Putin was afraid of [b][i][c=BF6900]The Orangutan[/c][/i][/b]!
ididntknow · 51-55, M
It’s got nothing to do with weakness, the democrats love wars, the military industrial complex are their buddies
ididntknow · 51-55, M
No it’s because the military industrial complex want a war, that’s how they make money,
Driver2 · M
The democrats are weak and Putin knows it
Driver2 · M

 
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