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astrosandorbits · 26-30, M
Right and left wing vigilantes and extremists are terrorists.
astrosandorbits · 26-30, M
@Pitchblue both issues have had members from either side incite violence and many have led to the deaths of innocent people. All im saying is that we need not look at terrorism as a bipartisan issue because it isnt. That simply plays right into the hands of what "terrorists" want.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Why do you think DeathSantis made it legal to run people over with a car? Personally, I think he wanted to make sure the Police were not liable if they run people over. During the BLM protests I saw Police use their vehicles on people a few different times.
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
@astrosandorbits there aren't any left wing terrorists, these days.

Oberon1 · 61-69, M
Could you briefly summarize some "right wing vigilante" activity that benefits conservatives, so I can better answer your question? Anyone [i]who harms or destroys innocent lives and / or infrastructure with the intent of achieving a political outcome[/i] is a "terrorist".
@JimBeam BLM is something else entirely but move the goalposts again if you must.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@JimBeam I live in Portland, dipshit. There's no such organization as Antifa. There are BLM members who spout the Antifa slogan during protests, and wear patches that say it. But it's not an organized group. Never has been.
@LordShadowfire The funny part to me is some people have tried to claim that because ANTIFA has localized Facebook groups that makes them an organization. I wish I was kidding. By that logic grannies knitting is an organized movement.
In the US they get special coddling. Here in Canada we have no issues calling groups like the Proud Boys terrorist organizations.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow That's what real countries do. No capitol invasions either. Want to play tuff guy gun games? Collect the shot seditionists with front end loafers and pressure wash the bloody mess.
@Crazywaterspring I am curious if the Canadian founder of the Proud Boys will be prosecuted though. We will have to see. On paper he handed it over to the current acting head. My understanding was he did this after his lawyers explained not doing so could result in double digit prison sentences.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
I just had to heart your question. It is provocative and worthy of a long and action packed thread! I can't be objective for very long, if I can be objective at all. I believe this dynamic of division; this precedent of polarity; this unique universe of unrest; has been posited intentionally to cause a failure and a very real 'defeat and surrender' to powers we have not yet completely identified. It seems like this country could use a trial separation! We used to get along so much better. Somewhere along the line, our individualism and collectivism lost its balance, and we, like trees in a forest, began to strangle each other with our roots as we competed for sunlight.
I am a lot of the things I hate. I am opinionated, and arrogant, and self righteous, and I fool myself that I might be some kind of ninja of clever persuasion. Occasionally I wish I could lay down my perceived weapons of a keyboard warrior, and seriously consider a way to express my intense disagreement with people, places, and things creatively rather than combatively, instead of constantly trying to be creatively combative.
It would be nice if we could all find a way to foil this dastardly plan to divide and conquer, but that would require some kind of common ground. I've preached this sermon before, but within minutes I am right back to defending my perception of truth, justice, and the American way ; often in a very abrasive tone.
Have you ever felt like there is some people out there who want us to be at each others throats all the time so we become weak and easily conquered?
Carissimi · 70-79, F
I don’t usually like arrogant people, (as you call yourself) but I love your eloquence of expression. @Oberon1
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Carissimi Thank you. Arrogance doesn't define me, it's just one of my character defects. I just wish I could find the right olive branch sometimes.
Carissimi · 70-79, F
We all have character defects. I admire your mind, and the way you think. @Oberon1
All vigilantes are a problem and potentially criminal.
@Oberon1 No. it’s always an individuals choice to obey the law or not. Vigilantes make up such nonsense as away to try explain their way out of their own trials.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@SirenCalledLuce Like asking judges about maritime courts when jailed for driving with suspended licenses? Many "sovereign citizens" insist posting their stupidity on the internet.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Crazywaterspring What are you talking about? That was a completely random comment.
I don't understand how you can be part of an insurrection and not be called a Domestic Terrorist. Congressman Andrew Clyde almost got to that point but called them Tourists rather than Terrorists. "Normal day of tourist visits” Andrew Clyde was seen on camera barricading a door on Jan 6th.
JimBeam · M
@Oberon1

Eric holder told the Democrats to never let a perfectly good crisis go to waste.

Jan 6th, helped get rid of Trump. The China virus will probably be what helps usher in communism, and the thing with the horses, will probably be what defunds the border patrol. You have to hand it to the Dems, they're really good at playing dirty.
@JimBeam Oh My God. Why not just say Democrats started the insurrection, Democrats infected Americans with COVID and then tried to force GQPers to get vaccinated and that is why they are dying now. The Left knew the Right wouldn't get vaccinated. Whipping people from horses is what I think about when someone says they are a Democrat certainly not something Republicans working on the border would do. Meanwhile Rich Mitch is threatening to not raise the debt ceiling which could easily put the world into a depression. BUT, that's not playing dirty.
JimBeam · M
@Pitchblue

Don't be silly the Covid virus came about when a pangolin kissed a turtle in a wet market in Wuhan, China.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8]
Sure . But that means the left are ALL Marxist commies..
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout No, not in the slightest, but thanks for playing. Now go shove a native Australian snake somewhere special.
BlueVeins · 22-25
Eh, the term 'terrorist' might work given its strictest definition, but it carries a lot of connotations that just don't really apply to people like the Capitol rioters or those weirdos who stopped the Biden Bus. Like usually when you think of terrorists, you think of people who go around killing random civilians. IDK though, call it whatever you want.
@BlueVeins One who favors or uses terrorizing methods for the accomplishment of some object, as for coercing a government or a community into the adoption of or submission to a certain course.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Pitchblue So like the Continental Army?
@BlueVeins It's the definition of Terrorist. Why did they stop Biden's Bus, why did they Take The Capital Building, why are they protesting Doctors and Nurses that are trying to save peoples lives.
acpguy · C
I think you have a serious mental problem. Terrorists benefit no one and most conservatives do not eve come close. Liberals / socialists on the other hand that sit on their hands or promote BLM / Antifa and do not enforce the laws of this country are no less terrorists. Those that are allowing illegal immigration into this country should be considered terrorists and be imprisoned for allowing inaction to enforce our countries laws and Constitution.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Palestians get called terrorists for resisting a literal military occupation.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Oberon1 No because when the Taliban storm a capital building, they take control of a government. When Trump supporters do it, the create a years supply of comedy memes.

They both stormed a capital building. Your argument seems to be that you can only be called a terrorist If you succeed on your aims?
@Burnley123 I like vanilla ISIS. Equal parts accurate comparison and equal parts ridicule they deserve.
Oberon1 · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 I think the driving force in that incident was not Trump supporters, but I know a few very slow-witted Trump supporters jumped in with them out of pure frustration and excitement. They were 'caught up in the moment'. It was a gold mine for new administration, either way. [b]Think about it. What sane adult would have thought for a minute that anything could have come of that mob activity other than getting thrown in jail or shot? [/b] If it was really an attempted insurrection, then it was committed by people with absolutely no insight or ability to weigh actions vs consequences. I just can't believe that many people would have been in the same place at the same time with the same ridiculous idea.
Slade · 56-60, M
You.
Are.
A.
Fool.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
communists calling conservatives terrorists ... rich
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Yeah those darned Antifa and BLM groups keep helping get Trump elected. They should be banned for their right wing activities.
Yep! BIG TIME TERRORISTS!
Peaceful · F
This is a lot to unpack. 👀

Vigilantes are criminals.

The terrorist comment was overkill...

Call them whatever you like, as you just did...
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
@Peaceful the difference between violent crime and terrorism?
Peaceful · F
@Stopmakingsense violent crimes are typically handled by law enforcement.

FBI handles domestic terrorism. CIA and NSA handle terrorism abroad.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I love how the right wingers around here are doing what they do best, engaging in whataboutism. It says so much about their sense of responsibility and self-awareness.

Anyway, the answer to your question is that yes, they are terrorists. We don't have to cater to their delicate feelings about what we should call someone who literally storms the Capitol building in order to disrupt the democratic process.
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