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What is Government's "job?"

Consider the following exchange:

Fox co-host Steve Doocy explained that "99% of people who are dying are unvaccinated."

That's when Kilmeade explained, "That's their choice!"

"They don't want to die," said Doocy. "The administration and government says mask mandates are to protect the unvaccinated."

"That's not their job, it's not their job to protect anybody!" said Kilmeade.

Personally, I think Kilmeade is wrong and that promoting the general welfare is part of the governments job.

Having said that, I'm curious to know why else we have a government if it's not to:

establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...

Any other ideas?
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Dshhh · 41-45, M
thos are the Noble purposes that our government was meant to be and do.

now, What IS;
The governments NEWER job is to keep us distracted and at each others throats as Big Money loots the entire economy
Budwick · 70-79, M
I couldn't help but notice - healthcare is not even on 'your list'!
Budwick · 70-79, M
[@548295,Carla] I don't. Neither does the Supreme Court.

[i]The Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power but a qualification on the taxing power.[/i]
Budwick · 70-79, M
[@479686,MistyCee] [quote] I think it's legimate to ask to what extent healthcare promotes the general welfare [/quote]

Go ahead, play your word games. The Supreme Court has already responded on the general welfare thing.
[@841775,Budwick] Great catch!!!!

The whole Story/Hamilton thing has more to do with the other general welfare clause and taxing and spending, but I had forgotten about it and the Butler case.

Still, if that's not the Governments job, what do you think is the government's job,?
"...establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

Which is something the individual can do for theirself without the need of anyone else on any given moment.

Why do we have government? I know the answer...
[@700099,Amyrakunejo] Do tell?

I'm tempted to ask how a [i]common[/i] defense can be provided for, or how effective an individual might be in promoting the [i] general[/i] welfare, but I'm more curious about your ellipsis.
QuixoticSoul · 36-40, M
[@700099,Amyrakunejo] We have government because every group of humans that doesn’t was comprehensively outcompeted and often destroyed by groups that do. This is something that libertarians and anarchists have never quite figured out.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
The Republicans are playing with fire here. I did some rough calculations yesterday based on the number of vaccinated and unvaccinated and the belief by epidemiologists that without vaccination, essentially all of the unvaccinated will get the Delta variant. That would result in about 250,000 more deaths over the next year or two, the vast majority of them Republicans. This could shift the balance of political power to Democrats in States like Florida and North Carolina that voted for Trump in 2020, and possibly Ohio and Iowa as well, while solidifying Democrats in Georgia and Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

The government clearly has a health care role, but if people choose not to follow it, they will end up suffering the consequences. It is profoundly sad, but I don't know that it can be stopped at this point.
Baremine · 70-79, M
Establish justice. Seems like justice wasn't served in the last election which was stolen. More proof is coming out daily as to the corruption in the last election.
[@836034,Baremine] That's not really responsive. That said, have fun with it.
QuixoticSoul · 36-40, M
[@836034,Baremine] Lmao stolen 🤣

You goofball.
[@580625,QuixoticSoul] is that Mike Lindell?
TexChik · F
That’s false reporting . 99% of the unvaxed people are not dying. Right now 54% of the vaxed people are dying . , from vaccine related complications .
TexChik · F
[@479686,MistyCee] I am a constitutionalist . It’s there in black and white .
[@113373,TexChik] LOL, and we've been arguing about what it says for 2 centuries.
TexChik · F
[@479686,MistyCee] what, raise taxes to operate on, regulate interstate commerce, provide for the common defense ?
GhostPoncho · 46-50, M
My idea is that these loons are radicalized and have no idea what they are saying anymore.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@482591,CopperCicada] They can, but are extremely reluctant to do so. That would likely change if a new variant developed that caused, say, a 50% death rate.
[@482591,CopperCicada] Lol. They can unless the Feds weigh in (which it hasn't).
Spotpot · 41-45, M
Establish justice and security.
SatyrService · 100+, M
the government has not JOB all it has is PREY
FreeSpirit1 · 46-50, F
One of it's duties is to spend 27 million dollars of US Taxpayer money to fight High School Truancy in the Philippines. Who knew?
QuixoticSoul · 36-40, M
[@157515,FreeSpirit1] Yes, geopolitics is a transactional game, and being the top dog in the world means buying influence. China will be happy to prop up the Philippines if we don’t, but since they’re in our pocket, they are even now out there challenging Chinese warships in the South China Sea on our behalf.

Maintaining our superpower status is very much the government’s job.
FreeSpirit1 · 46-50, F
[@580625,QuixoticSoul] Thanks for the explanation of geopolitics 👍
Northwest · M
[quote]Any other ideas?

Yes, Kilmeade is an ass wipe.
[@9416,Northwest] Careful with creating, though. Conservative justices have a habit of citing to ancient history when it suits their purposes. (Not that liberal ones don't of course).
Northwest · M

[quote] Conservative justices have a habit of citing to ancient history[/quote]

But that's de facto "creating".
[@9416,Northwest] Nah, it's recognizing principles that the founding fathers well might have chosen deliberately not to recreate, imo.
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Graylight · 46-50, F
The government has ample constitutional and legal authority to impose such emergency steps:

[quote]“The Constitution,” Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote for a 7-2 majority, “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.” Instead, “a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic.” Its members “may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”[/quote]

Public health is not unconstitutional, it's not against any law and even the conservative Heritage Foundation agrees.

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