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From 2009-2015, 10 countries had more deaths per million people from mass shootings than the US. ~

Didja know that Norway, Serbia, France, Macedonia, Albania, Slovakia, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all checked in ahead of the US? Do most of all of them have gun control laws? I am asking because I honestly don't know.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
But that study, by a pro-gun Non profit, had some issues:

"In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) compared the annual number of mass shooting deaths per million people in the U.S. to that of Canada and several European countries from 2009 to 2015."

And later after the table of results.

"As eye-opening as the CRPC study was, many statisticians believe the reason the results seem so counterintuitive is that they’re incorrect. One of the more detailed analyses appeared on the fact-checking website snopes.com and concluded that the CRPC report used “inappropriate statistical methods” which led to misleading results.

According to the snopes analysis, one of those inappropriate methods was the leaving out of the many European countries that had not experienced a single mass shooting between 2009-2015. This data would not have changed the position of the U.S. on the list, but its absence could lead a reader to believe—incorrectly—that the U.S. experienced fewer mass shooting fatalities per capita than all but a handful of countries in Europe. A more important oversight, again according to snopes, was the report's use of average deaths per capita instead of a more stable metric. Thanks to the smaller populations of most European countries, individual events in those countries had statistically oversized influence and warped the results. For example, Norway’s world-leading annual rate was due to a single devastating 2011 event, in which far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik gunned down 69 people at a summer camp on the island of Utøya. Norway had zero mass shootings in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015."
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 Yep, that's what the post says.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Zeusdelight Sorry, let me elaborate. Your post seems to imply that the study was flawed, but then concedes that the issues raised wouldn't have changed the result of the study? So how was it flawed?

I get the second half where the study left off countries with no shootings, thereby not providing context to the results. But the first half, the "issues" don't really make sense if they don't change the results.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 Ok, well, the second part of the quote questioned the usage of "the report's use of average deaths per capita instead of a more stable metric."

If they had used a different metric, that would have changed the positioning of all countries in the report given the effect of the difference in populations. I don't know what the available metrics are.

I don't know where the US would have ended up.

But I was annoyed that the study was quoted, in the original post, without reference to its creators and their potential bias.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
The US has 60x the population of Norway, whose data is heavily skewed by the Anders Brevik shooting of 2011 that killed 77 people. If you do the math, imagine that 1 lone shooter killed 4,620 people. They shouldn't even be included in this list.

Macedonia and Albania have populations around 2 million, so if you do any kind of statistic on a per million basis, it's going to inflate anything you want to measure. They don't have populations statistically significant enough to analyze figures of this magnitude.

France had the Paris Attacks in 2015 where Islamic terrorists killed 130 people. The US populations is roughly 5 times the population of France, so again, try to imagine a similar mass shooting event that killed between 600-700 people. Lists like these are intentionally deceptive because singular events end up skewing the average for an entire country and making an issue seem worse than it is.

I highly doubt the Switzerland figure since multiple European news outlets are saying there hasn't been a mass shooting there since 2001. And do we really want to compare ourselves to countries like Serbia and Slovakia?

This whole post is bogus propaganda. The study he's citing comes from a pro-gun activist group.
Sounds like cherry picking to me. Why that narrow range of dates? Why did they stop at 2015? Our mass shootings have only been accelerating since then!!

Mass shootings are on the rise in the US, although the pandemic put a damper on them:

This map of US mass shootings is 10 years out of date, but it gives us some sense of how wide the problem is and what weapons are used
RedBaron · M
@ElwoodBlues I don't know. I didn't conduct the survey. Go ask them.
@RedBaron [quote]Go ask them.[/quote] I'll at least check them out if you can link me to the source.
RedBaron · M
@ElwoodBlues I found it through Google and didn’t spend a lot of time on it.
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RedBaron · M
@SW-User Trying to play off a misspelling as a typo is lame. A is too far from E on the keyboard for it to be a typo.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@RedBaron 'A is too far from E on the keyboard for it to be a typo.'

Not on mine it isn't ; AZERTYUIOP
If kids are dying in my country repeatedly due to gun violence, should I be even thinking of my rank statistically among other countries.
RedBaron · M
@Ihopetolivehappily Maybe. Do as you please. There's no should about it.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
lol ...... you just accused me of posting nonsense for 'dramatic effect' and then I came across this pure and utter bullshit. 😄
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