At-will employment needs to be amended.
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Heartlander · 80-89, M
Employees and employers should have equal freedom. Your idea has everyone working for the state. What some call Plantation Democrat.
TexChik · F
And, Mr socialist that is why you are not a business owner. You have no clue .
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Do people not understand contracts anymore? If you want some security in your job just don't work for someone like that. No we have to bring in more bureaucracy ugh. What would everyone do if the employer just never decided to found the business in the first place or they were never born, would you demand they pop into existence
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
If every job was unionized, this would not be a problem.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So what you are really saying is your lazy butt got fired and you are mad about it.
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ChristipherPaul The point is the employer can document all he wants. Will the arbiter agree with the employee or the employer?
ChristipherPaul · 31-35, MNew
@hippyjoe1955 It all depends on how relevant to the cause for termination the documentation is.
Example: I fired someone back in 2015 because in the four months he was employed, he was late 12 times and called out sick 6 times. We had the time cards to show it.
Under my system, if I were the reviewer of the termination, I would deem the documentation sufficient.
Example: I fired someone back in 2015 because in the four months he was employed, he was late 12 times and called out sick 6 times. We had the time cards to show it.
Under my system, if I were the reviewer of the termination, I would deem the documentation sufficient.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ChristipherPaul You would. Not everyone else would agree with you. If the employee came up with a really good sob story as to why he was late and sick he may well still have a job. It is up to an arbiter to determine who was more justified. Look at any court case and see if you can find the bias in the judge.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
That statement assumes there was such a contract in the first place. If a employer doesn't want such a contract it simply won't go over in any state. 99% of such employment contracts are not "At will employment contracts".
The owness has always been on the employer!
Legal contract's are agreements between both employee and employer.
So if you want to set it that way and both agree to it, there's nothing to say otherwise other than state laws prohibiting certain things. Like child labor laws as an example.
But again, as in the last case, the employer must want to hire a child to begin with. Therefore a contract is written up. Not necessarily a "At will employment contract".
The owness has always been on the employer!
Legal contract's are agreements between both employee and employer.
So if you want to set it that way and both agree to it, there's nothing to say otherwise other than state laws prohibiting certain things. Like child labor laws as an example.
But again, as in the last case, the employer must want to hire a child to begin with. Therefore a contract is written up. Not necessarily a "At will employment contract".
revenant · F
Nah it should go both ways. No employer will be interested in flighty employees.
ChristipherPaul · 31-35, MNew
@revenant You're right. I'm in management myself. and when we see a lot of movement on a resume, we simply don't hire them. That's our prerogative.
HOWEVER, if an employee quits, the company won't go out of business. If an employee is terminated, the economic ramifications are much worse.
HOWEVER, if an employee quits, the company won't go out of business. If an employee is terminated, the economic ramifications are much worse.
revenant · F
@ChristipherPaul Employees can sue for unfair dismissal.
Disgustedman · 61-69, M
However. If the employee would have saved like everyone has been encouraged to do so. Then said employee wouldn't have any problems quitting or being terminated from a job. But you are putting too much bureaucratic issues to make this feasible.
Doctrble · 46-50, M
Simple. Hire as needed. Obviously you have never had an employee or a business. If you did youd see employees have more rights than the owner does.
Spoiledbrat · F
I thought an employer had to have a reason to fire someone.
ChristipherPaul · 31-35, MNew
@Spoiledbrat normally a respectable employer does
Spoiledbrat · F
@ChristipherPaul An employee can get unemployment if the employer doesn't have a reason to let them go and that raises their rates.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
There is always a reason to let one go.
ChristipherPaul · 31-35, MNew
@MarineBob You're right, and the reason should be a good reason.
Human1000 · M
@ChristipherPaul Employees never agree there is a good reason.
Human1000 · M
In public sector, at will is rare.
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