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Okay... If that's the case...

If the EU thinks that EU law overrides the law of member states... then, the EU is dumb.

Time to stop trying to run a dictatorship before you end up being very lonely.
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EuphoricTurtle · 36-40, M
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ArishMell · 61-69, M
[@17323,EuphoricTurtle] I wondered that. It's not very accurate though.

The EU has two "competence" (power) streams:

- The overall "Club Rules" and protocols by which it operates; largely created by international treaty;

- The regulations it creates in an unstoppable flood, but issued as "Directives".

The Directives are legal frameworks that have to be translated by each "member" nation to match its own legislature and administrative systems. It can't refuse them but may be able to negotiate specific easements or modifications, as long as the overall intention remains.

Some Directives are made to reflect agreements made by fully-international organisations like the UN, ISO, sea and air regulatory bodies, etc.

The real difficulties come when national governments or their agencies "gold-plate" the rules beyond what their European Commission authors had intended.


Quite who is in charge in Brussels and Strasbourg is never clear. Two places for internal historical reasons, leading to an incredibly wasteful mass office move from one city to the other for six months alternating. No nation - rich or poor, democracy or dictatorship - does anything like that!

The EU Directives are created by the Commission via secretive committees - the Minutes are public if you know how and where to find them, but the delegates are anonymous, identified only by their countries. It also has a murky history of preventing the EU's auditors investigating why the vast books could not be balanced for year after year. I don't know if this has been put right.

The European "Parliament" is not, although its MEPs are publicly elected in their own "Regions". (The EU down-plays the concept of "countries".) It is a politically-secular single-chamber so overloaded that the MEPs, trying understandably to see the best outcomes for their own nations, can rarely understand or debate anything properly, and frequently vote as advisors say.

There is also the Council of Ministers: elected members at ministerial level of their own countries' governments, representing their home countries in major EU matters.

The whole caboodle is kept in line by the European Court of Justice, arbitrating on individual countries' following of the EU's constitutional rules.


NOTE: The European Court of Human Rights is a totally separate system, [i]not[/i] part of the EU.

Similarly the European Broadcasting Union is totally independent. It is a non-political, programme exchange and sharing scheme; particularly for live musical performances.
EuphoricTurtle · 36-40, M
[@519706,ArishMell] I know that part. I was referring to what had happened which would qualify as an EU law overriding a member state law.
ArishMell · 61-69, M
[@17323,EuphoricTurtle] The most likely might be if the EU issued a Directive but the member state does not up-date its existing law on the same area to satisfy the EU's order.

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