Portion from Dr. Garry Nolan’s interview on The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast episode, filmed on July 7th, 2025.
DR. GARRY NOLAN: That there’s something non-human here and it’s been here for a long time, is my provisional conclusion. And you know, the question that people should ask is not “is there something here?” You have to ask the question first, “can something be here?” And the short answer is, of course there can be.
The universe is 14 billion years old. You could have gotten from one side of the galaxy to the other in our galaxy, in Elon Musk’s Tesla, if it were traveling at 10,000 miles an hour. But what got on in the first place doesn’t mean the same thing as what gets off on the other side.
So, yes, the short answer is something can be here. What it is, I’m not 100% sure and I feel very uncomfortable with the sightings of biological beings, if only because they just look a little too much like us. And I just can’t see from a genetics point of view why the human form is so, or even two legs and two arms is necessarily biologically the most successful shape.
So I think there’s something here. I think the data, the evidence of the hypothesis, there’s more than enough evidence to say that it’s worth investigating. So I would ask my colleagues to just hold their sarcasm for a while because how do you deny thousands of reports like this?
And I don’t want to sound conspiratorial, but I mean, I did get a phone call from somebody representing the White House because I was talking about something that they felt was a little too on the edge. They said, “you need to just shut up, Gary.” I mean, I’m just telling you, I’ve briefed Canadian Parliament. I went to your Parliament in Toronto and I briefed all three parties on it. The only ones who didn’t want to hear anything were the separatists. So interestingly. But no, I spent two days there on that. And we’ve briefed the European Parliament as well on it. And they’re aware of what some of their own military are talking about.
So I conclude that there’s definitely something here. But I think the more interesting conclusion is if something is here, it’s likely been here longer than humans have even been civilized. So it really opens the question. And actually it’s something that I think Charles Fort actually said is, you know, “Earth is probably somebody else’s property.”
The universe is 14 billion years old. You could have gotten from one side of the galaxy to the other in our galaxy, in Elon Musk’s Tesla, if it were traveling at 10,000 miles an hour. But what got on in the first place doesn’t mean the same thing as what gets off on the other side.
So, yes, the short answer is something can be here. What it is, I’m not 100% sure and I feel very uncomfortable with the sightings of biological beings, if only because they just look a little too much like us. And I just can’t see from a genetics point of view why the human form is so, or even two legs and two arms is necessarily biologically the most successful shape.
So I think there’s something here. I think the data, the evidence of the hypothesis, there’s more than enough evidence to say that it’s worth investigating. So I would ask my colleagues to just hold their sarcasm for a while because how do you deny thousands of reports like this?
And I don’t want to sound conspiratorial, but I mean, I did get a phone call from somebody representing the White House because I was talking about something that they felt was a little too on the edge. They said, “you need to just shut up, Gary.” I mean, I’m just telling you, I’ve briefed Canadian Parliament. I went to your Parliament in Toronto and I briefed all three parties on it. The only ones who didn’t want to hear anything were the separatists. So interestingly. But no, I spent two days there on that. And we’ve briefed the European Parliament as well on it. And they’re aware of what some of their own military are talking about.
So I conclude that there’s definitely something here. But I think the more interesting conclusion is if something is here, it’s likely been here longer than humans have even been civilized. So it really opens the question. And actually it’s something that I think Charles Fort actually said is, you know, “Earth is probably somebody else’s property.”
