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I'm still waiting to see your data. Here's mine:

[b]Covid Vaccine effectiveness data from the US 2021 ⁠— did they work?[/b]

[u]Executive Summary:[/u]
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.

[u]Details[/u]
Source [b]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/b]
is a CDC analysis of 25 geographically dispersed US jurisdictions. It presents statistics on Covid incidence and death rates broken up by "wave" (dates) and age, separately for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most of the key data is in TABLE 1.

[b]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/b]

[u]Discussion[/u]
Note that the period is Apr-Dec 2021; why? In the first quarter of 2021 we were busily vaccinating the 65+ cohort; the most vulnerable. There was an excess of unvaccinated deaths in that period and not enough vaccinated people to make a fair comparison. Including that timeperiod would skew the data to make vaccines look even better than they are.

Note that the total deaths add up to 117,207, while the total 2021 US Covid death toll was about 550,000. That is because this data is for 25 representative jurisdictions, not the whole nation. This data represents over a quarter of US deaths, so percentages from it are statistically representative of the overall US Covid situation.

Vaccine effectiveness (VE) declined from the pre-delta to the delta to the omicron waves, but vaccines still provided significant protection.
[quote]The age-standardized IRR for cases in unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons was 13.9 during April–May and progressively declined to 8.7 during June, 5.1 during July–November, and 3.1 during December, coinciding with the periods of Delta emergence, Delta predominance, and Omicron emergence, respectively. This decline suggests a change in crude VE for infection from 93% during April–May, to 89% during June, 80% during July–November, and to 68% during December. Age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons were relatively stable; crude VE for deaths was 95% during April–May, 94% during June, and 94% during July–November.[/quote]

Booster doses were highly effective.
[quote] During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively.[/quote]

Incidence rate ratios
[quote]IRRs were calculated by dividing incidence among unvaccinated persons by incidence among fully vaccinated persons (overall and by receipt of booster doses); after detrending the underlying linear changes in incidence[/quote]
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues I bet it took you days to find that on Wikpedia. Too funny. So why do you never use one? Oh right you and statistics are complete strangers. my bad.
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Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
I am vaccinated And not living in fear, quite the opposite
Vaccinations have saved hundreds od millions
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 you are definitely ignorant !
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Strictmichael75 I suspect that you have technology and science confused. It is very common for the uninformed who get bedazzled by the shiny tech and fail to ask the SCIENTIFIC questions.
@AbbySvenz I LIKE THE WAY YOU STAND YOUR GROUND AND STAND UP TO THESE GUYS.

They're all dust in the wind, boys shaking their old average dick so proudly, can't stand it that your opinion matters as much there's and that you might be right!

And You Are Right.

That rumble site is Conspiracy Theory Central and somehow these people coalesce 500 divergent things into "OMG! we're all going to die!" Conspiracies that are absolutely wackoshit unprovable cobbled together second guesses and misinterpretation x 3⁵⁷th power. Just pick and choose 100 words out of thousands and out of context and use That to show that the Richest Men on Earth want to take your $927 paychecks, so they can RULE THE WORLD. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Persephonee · 22-25, F
While I've got overwhelming sympathy with your viewpoint, I think it's worth saying also that yours seems a very American perspective, in terms of its conception of 'liberty' (which so often seems to consist in nothing so much as 'no one can tell me not to do X-thing-which-is-actually-intrinsically-harmful if I don't want them to').

In Japan, (a different culture to be sure), people still readily wear masks over and beyond what was commonplace pre-Covid, not out of slavishness but out of courtesy to others.

the point I'm awkwardly making is that maybe the red-blooded freedom-loving Americans AND the CDC have it wrong, in seeing the situation either as demotic resistance to centralisiation, OR as a 'we in the federal govt know best'. Dealing with a disease maybe just requires thinking about other people a bit more, and curtailing one's own actions a little as a result, and where people seem thoroughly incapable or unwiling to be sufficiently selfless, having a little stick along with the carrot (ie "mask mandates").

Not at all saying this applies to you personally, but anecdotally to a lot of your countrymen. And (lest you think I'm being unfair) a lot of my own in the UK as well.

I think we're all in danger of losing perspective, whether we over- or under-estimated the danger that Covid-19 posed/poses.
Persephonee · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger i blame Protestantism personally 😜
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Persephonee First of all a lot of medicine is based on tradition and not science. My friend had his knee replaced and was conscious the whole time. He said the only ones in the operating theater that were wearing masks were the ones actually cutting and stitching. Everyone else was maskless. The reason I heard for mask wearing by those operating is to keep spit or blood or other bodily fluids being passed from surgeon to patient or vice versa. Everyone in medicine knows that such masks don't prevent viral or bacterial spread. They can't. They don't seal against the face and the filter medium is too porous.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Persephonee That's a good point.
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 I won’t even stoop so low to answer you, you are so pathetic denying reality ! Such a laugh! Keep reading fucks news
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Strictmichael75 So how many times have you been jabbed and how much shorter do you think your life will be because you failed you grade 12 science class?
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MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
I will ask the question I did 2 years ago. When does the pandemic end?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@RodionRomanovitch So you can't read English. Why am I not surprised.
@MrBrownstone The pandemic will end when the people who have created it have killed off a satisfactory number of people and gained enough control over the ones remaining.

[quote]
“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

― Frank Zappa [/quote]
@MrBrownstone See? I already got one laugh emoji on my reply to your question. This is from someone who's a fish who thinks it's hysterical when someone suggests to him there's such a thing as "water." The belief that there's a world-wide health emergency is so prevalent, it's invisible - in the same way the last creatures on Earth to be aware of water, are fish. The governments and the media have [i]everybody believing their narrative. [/i] It's the greatest hoax and the greatest crime against humanity the world has ever (not) seen. And, as long as people continue being willfully ignorant and civilly obedient, probably never [i]will[/i] see it. Even after it's too late.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
A wise man wouldn't try to make a wordplay out of illiberal.

 
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