this is what you get when you tell everyone that they can be anything they want to be

@BohemianBoo yes I just make up this stuff. A fast internet search would prove that wrong but whatever. I am not getting into some long repetitive bullshit back and forth with you again. Ignore and deny all you like. It dont change anything

@Torsten I'm sure there are a few people on the fringe who take "trans-ageism" seriously. But you're lying when you present it as if it's a common thing.

@BohemianBoo now show me where i said it was common. Dont twist words and make assumptions like you always do. Show me where i said its common because if you look through my comments here you will clearly see i never claimed such thing. I said it could be a common thing in the future but never once presented it as common now.

@Torsten also how are you going to say this trans age thing is not real? who picks and chooses what people can or can not identify as? You can be the opposite gender now, you can be a different species now. Why can you not change your age? gender is much more important than age, so explain to me it.
I repeat, this is what happens when you tell people they can be anything they like so long as they identify as it

@Torsten [quote]This is the world we live in where we are constantly told to ignore reality and people can just be what they want.[/quote]

Now I know you're a pussy so you'll deny this, but the implication here is that nonsense like this is common. Like it's a mainstream idea that you hear constantly. You even used the word "constantly." But again, I know you'll deny that you meant constantly when you said constantly.

[quote] You can be the opposite gender now, you can be a different species now. Why can you not change your age? gender is much more important than age, so explain to me it.[/quote]

Gender is about self-identity and based almost entirely on culture and arbitrary traits.
Species and age are based on biology and time. That's the difference.

@BohemianBoo constantly as in with saying what your identity is like with gender and yes that is constant. Not this age trans stuff. You just keep twisting words. its getting ridiculous. You keep doing it, I aint wasting time talking to you.

you're correct. there is a difference. Gender is much more important and if people can identify as the opposite gender, who are you to claim they can not do the same for age or race? see how ridiculous this is yet?

@Torsten [quote] constantly as in with saying what your identity is like with gender and yes that is constant. Not this age trans stuff. [/quote]

Yup, I was right. The moment you get called out, you deny what you meant.

[quote]Gender is much more important and if people can identify as the opposite gender, who are you to claim they can not do the same for age or race?[/quote]

I already explained this. Gender is about self-identity. Race, species, and age are not. Granted, there is always subjectivity when it comes to grouping things, but something like age is based on objective time. You can't self-identify as having been alive for twenty years when you've been alive for thirty years.
Also, gender is important to some people, but not everyone. I don't think gender is important at all.

@Torsten[quote] no, to you it might be about self identity but you cant change biology and chromosomes[/quote]

Nope, we already explained this. Sex is biological, gender is cultural. You refuse to accept this because you want science to be on your side when it comes to transphobia, but it's not.
This is literally like saying the Scottish are biologically programmed to be Protestant, but the Irish are genetically programmed to be Catholic.

@BohemianBoo no you told me your opinion. Dont try passing that shit off as factual and again stop trying to tell me what i want or think. You do it again, we are done here.
You can barely speak for yourself. Stop thinking you are capable of doing it for me

@Torsten Calm down, no need to get triggered like a typical conservative fag.
Anyway, the fact that sex and gender are different is not an opinion, it's a fact. These are two different concepts. It's also a fact that the importance of gender is subjective. Maybe it's important to you, that's fine, but it's not important to me.

@Torsten biology and chromosomes don't make up gender, they make up sex. Sex and gender are not the same.

@Doomflower ok explain gender and sex to me. What is the difference?

@Torsten ok so I am a transgender guy. My gender is male. It is how I see myself and how I present to the world. It's the social part.

My sex is female. I was born with typical female body parts and assigned female at birth. Most people are born with typical features although intersex people are about as common as natural red heads.

@Doomflower oh, so one is real and the other.. not so much

@Torsten well if you think about it both are real. There are physical differences between the brains of trans and cis people so while I say gender is social and sex is physical it is an over simplification.

I think the distinction is interesting to talk about because both are on a spectrum and have social and biological components but sex is more about the external hardware and gender is the software. The software doesn't really exist without the physical drive to run on.

Ok I have to godo stuff for a while but please let me know:

I have no uterus or ovaries. People see me and are starting to code me as male until I tell them my current legal name. I know this because I see them glitch and hear what their kids blurt out lol. Which bathroom do you think I should be using?

I'll check back later 😀

@Doomflower maybe real to those who experience it but to the majority of people, not really.
No such thing as "cis" by the way.
You dont need to call people "cis" to say they are not trans. Trans people should be referred to that alone. They are the very small minority here. Putting a nonsensical label on the majority of people to know the difference is utter nonsense

gender and sex is the same thing really. Sorry but i dont care what some people think about that. its the same thing.

ehh I am going to be completely honest now but most trans people dont fool others into thinking they are the gender they are portraying. With trans men, they are still very feminine and trans women, still masculine. Though that is if going through puberty before transitioning and well I am completely against letting children chemically transition before or at puberty anyway.

I am not getting into the idiotic bathroom debate, sorry

@Torsten referring to people who identify as their assigned gender at birth as cis is a way of not "othering" trans people.

Cis = the same. Trans = the opposite. Not so hard and also a nice way to make the distinction when one needs to be made.

[quote]gender and sex is the same thing really. Sorry but i dont care what some people think about that. its the same thing.[/quote]

Okay so you agree I am a man since my gender is male? That seems like the opposite of your general attitude.

[quote]I am going to be completely honest now but most trans people dont fool others into thinking they are the gender they are portraying[/quote]

I wasn't aware you knew most trans people LoL

Seriously though, just because you spot people who don't pass doesn't mean shit. You walk by trans people, share bathrooms with trans people, maybe even know some personally who are not out to you. Stealth is a thing and many trans people who pass hide their transness because of people like you.

[quote] Though that is if going through puberty before transitioning and well I am completely against letting children chemically transition before or at puberty anyway[/quote]

Why are you ok trusting cis kids to know their gender and go through puberty but you don't trust trans kids the same way?

At any rate you seem to be out of the loop on how gender care works for young people but this has been a pretty long answer so I'll skip it but encourage you to learn about it on your own.

I don't want to debate bathrooms, but I am curious what you think.

@Doomflower [quote]referring to people who identify as their assigned gender at birth as cis is a way of not "othering" trans people.

Cis = the same. Trans = the opposite. Not so hard and also a nice way to make the distinction when one needs to be made[/quote]
the distinction is calling trans people "trans people". No need to label everyone else as something to make you feel better. Just refer to us as men or women. Its really not hard.

[quote]Okay so you agree I am a man since my gender is male? That seems like the opposite of your general attitude.[/quote]
if you're a trans man, you are living as a male. You are not a male though. Sorry but that is the truth

[quote]Seriously though, just because you spot people who don't pass doesn't mean shit. You walk by trans people, share bathrooms with trans people, maybe even know some personally who are not out to you. Stealth is a thing and many trans people who pass hide their transness because of people like you.[/quote]
if that thought makes you happy, enjoy believing it. Its far from the truth but hey why even acknowledge what is factual or non factual anymore when centered around this topic, you would just ignore it anyway

[quote]Why are you ok trusting cis kids to know their gender and go through puberty but you don't trust trans kids the same way?[/quote]
I dont know what a "cis kid" is because there is no such thing. If you are referring to boys and girls whom are not transgender, it is because they are not chemically altering their bodies. Children do not have the capacity to decide such life altering decisions.
If they want to do that as a adult, its their life but any parent that lets their child do that, is a straight up child abuser in my book.
and with more and more people detransitioning these days it just shows how easily confused children can be and how regretful they end up being when they cant reverse the body mutilations that has occurred

@Torsten oh and I have to ask

Which bathroom do you think I should use? I'm really curious. I quit using the ladies because I was getting weird looks from women.

@Doomflower really because it certainly seems to be all about feelings here. there is no other reason to try and slap a label on the majority of people. being transgender is already a label that sets people apart from the normal, being as they transition to the opposite gender.
funny how those confused on their genders always try telling others on different ways to be a man or a woman.

you wanna find stories of detransition, go on youtube. plenty of people telling their stories there

no i am against puberty blockers

already told you, i am not getting into a dumb bathroom debate

@Torsten I don't want a debate, I am legit asking your opinion. Which bathroom do you think would be most appropriate?

[quote]funny how those confused on their genders always try telling others on different ways to be a man or a woman[/quote]

I didn't realize you were feeling confused about your gender 🤣 You're the only one here telling others how to be.

Or maybe it's a typo and you meant to say that telling others there are many ways to perform gender is the hallmark of someone who is confused?

Anyway, I feel more sure about my gender now than I did 6 months ago. Every step makes me more certain. I am not confused.

Why are you against puberty blockers? It's not permanent and allows people to mature a bit before they go through the process of puberty. Considering that puberty is a life altering event that can't be undone it's kind of a big deal.

@Doomflower depends as I dont know what you look like. I guess men care less about who uses their public bathrooms. Women care a little more it would seem and for good reason. speaking for myself, i couldnt care less because I dont even use public bathrooms because they are foul.

I am not confused about my gender in the slightest. Never have been. Born a male and when my bones are dug up, i will be identified as male. There is no confusion here with me.
No what I am trying to say is those living as the opposite gender, shouldnt really try telling others on such things. Just my opinion but I dont need a biological woman living as a man to tell me how to be a man is all, just as i am sure you would not want me to tell you how to be a man.

I am against children being chemically altered. i do not believe that hormone blockers are side effect free and delaying puberty is not a good thing