Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature.

There are three ways man comes to know God exists:
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (for Muslims, the Koran)
3. By meditation

I come to know God exists by num 1 i.e. reasoning, but it is the God of nature, that means that God created everything that man encounters in nature, and that by man's natural reason and intelligence.

What about you atheists? You should be able to come to the God of nature, because you have from nature the faculty of reason and of intelligence.

The explanation why you deny even the God of nature to exist, is because you are not natural but un-natural.

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yrger · 80-89, M

@Emosaur Still you have not explained where you came from ultimately, because your stock of knowledge is depleted.

yrger · 80-89, M

@Emosaur That is the God of supernature, you got that from the Bible.

With the God of nature, you have got to be natural to know Him, but you atheists are un-natural, you are self-perversions, that goes for all humans who are self-perversions, no matter they don't call themselves atheists.

LeopoldBloom · M

@yrger Where did God come from? Let me guess, he’s eternal by definition. That’s called begging the question.

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DocSavage · M

@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]
[quote] With the God of nature, you have got to be natural to know Him[/quote]
No you don’t. Humans can perceive god because they have abstract thinking and concepts. We can see patterns, take past experiences and make predictions. It’s that ability that allows us to seek out the “ultimate “
Answer to complex questions. You imagine your god based on a pattern you imagine exist, but have yet to describe. Something that indicates design. Get it right chunkhead.

yrger · 80-89, M

@LeopoldBloom No, it's begging the question, because I go outside concepts in my mind to seek evidence of the creator God in the concrete reality of our neighborhood.

And I have found evidence, namely: for example babies and roses in our everywhee neighborhood, babies and roses ultimately come from God, "The God (of nature) that is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."

LeopoldBloom · M

@yrger You need to prove that babies and roses come from God. Just saying they do is the [i]ipse dixit[/i] fallacy.

Begging the question is assuming the answer in the question itself. Your quote is an example of that. You present an arbitrary definition of God, then point to it and say "see? I just proved God exists."

Here's another example. I define God as the pocket calculator on my desk. The pocket calculator exists. Therefore, God exists. The problem is that this definition artificially limits God to what I can describe. This is all you're doing; you're just picking a different thing and calling it "God."