I am Yrger the theist and here is my definition of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."


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Here is my definition of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."

Please pay the most focused attention to the text below in [b]bold[/b] and [i]italic[/i].

From Yrger the theist:
Hi atheists and everybody else whether atheists or not but who is rational and intelligent but negative toward the existence of God, would it be possible for me Yrger the theist here to ask you all guys to in not more than 50 words tell me [b][i]what is your concept of God?[/i][/b]

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Hi everyone, I am Yrger author of this thread, and I am addressing newj.


Please rewrite your post below, and express only one point the most important in your mind. As the post stands, you are incoherent.

[quote] newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger You are unable to comprehend that the Big bang was not the beginning of the universe, but rather the beginning of the expansion of the universe.

Ask yourself... what was going 'bang'?

As there is no known 'beginning' to the universe, there is no compelling necessity to postulate gods.

You accept that as a reasoned conclusion, because you have not argued against it.

therefore... atheist

You are unable to respond in any reasoned or germane manner to my statements that:

1. there's no proof that gods exist
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist
3. in any event, there’s no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and, in any event, the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)

therefore... atheist.

Apparently anything and everything can be a god, so it follows that gods are indistinguishable from everything else, and their existence cannot be discerned, so there is no reason to even consider such a postulation

therefore... atheist.

I congratulate you on the efficient way you have used your claims of theism to destroy theism and thereby advance your atheism[/quote]


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You all atheists are incoherent with your thinking manner, let me see if you can express what you think you understand in this text from Stephen Hawking:

[quote]“Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at. It matters that you don't just give up.”
― Stephen Hawking[/quote]

Hi everyone, if you can read this post from me, even though I don't use the reply feature, and get my ideas, thanks a lot.

I like people who go from ideas and search for evidence to their ideas in the concrete reality of life outside ideas in the mind.

For example, I have the idea of God, so I go to the concrete reality of the world outside our mind, like in our neighborhood, to seek evidence of God.



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[quote] deadgerbil · 22-25, F
@yrger yeah I've been casually reading this post and this post represents a very strange way to communicate in general. You easily could've replied directly to my comment but for whatever reason you do it indirectly by adding a comment to the post itself instead of the comment thread and you've been doing this to consistently across the board. And nothing with you is ever succinct. It's repetitive and amounts to spam. Therefore I'm turning off notifications for this post. It's a bunch of nonsense.[/quote]

[quote]yrger
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I prefer to not use the reply feature because it does not (I could be wrong though) directly reply to me, but it replies to others and others reply to others and on and on like an unwieldy column wide at the top and narrow at the bottom.[/quote]

Hi atheists, why are you all not taking notice of this thread started by me Yrger, I am the theist here.

At the beginning I thought that I noticed more than a hundred replies were made (by atheists?).

Then all replies disappeared.

What happened?

Perhaps the Similar Worlds personnel can tell me, what is happening - I am at a loss.

@DocSavage


Well, I am now sure, Doc, that you are a coward.


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DocSavage · M
@yrger/chunkhead
[quote]So, Doc, let you tell me what and how to prove something exists[/quote]

No. You’re a troll. You simply change the context when you can not validate your claim with any evidence. You fall back on “ultimate”
As I stated before, god are manufactured so humans can break their own rules of logic. In short, gods are by nature lies.

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Okay atheists, you deny that there is a primordial reality from which all posterior beings came from.

That ultimately explains why we humans are existing today.

What is your alternative to this primordia reality from which all posterior beings owe their existence?

@newjaninev2

I never say that God does disgusting stuffs, it's you who say God does disgusting stuffs to mankind.

So I ask you what disgusting things does God make you bear, then we can all decide how and why you suffer disgusting stuffs you blame on God.

Let everyone pitch in, let us help newjaninev2 resolve the disgustig stuffs she gets from God.


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[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

and that explains how your 'god of nature' and your 'god of supernature' invaidate the claims you made in the previous comment in this thread

@newjaninev2


Let's not talk about you being perverted, unless you are into another evasion.

I was thinking that you and I will engage on the issue that ultimately God exists is the only option that the natural reason and intelligence of humans dictates.



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newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger Incidentally who you think you are to call me perverted?

@newjaninev2

First we must concur on how to prove something exists.

So, you demand proof, you must know how to prove something exists.

Tell me, okay!?



newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger and yet we never see the explanation you claim to have.

I'm starting to think that maybe you're a common, garden-variety, stock-standard, liar.

@CorvusBlackthorne

Where have you been?


See if you can explain or not why ultimately there is a self-existent being in the realm of reality.

If you are so timid to think on that, then see if you can think over this statement:

The default status of reality is existence, yes or no.




CorvusBlackthorne · 46-50, M
@yrger Projecting again?

@newjaninev2

Please explain where you ultimately came from, and don't hide under the bed with "I don't know." That means in effect you should not be in a forum.

And also don't ask me instead of answering me, asking me a question in order to evade the issue where you ultimately come from.

I tell you for myself the theist here, ultimately I came from God.



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Hi atheists and everybody else whether atheists or not but who is rational and intelligent but negative toward the existence of God, would it be possible for me Yrger the theist here to ask you all guys to in not more than 50 words tell me what is your concept of God?

From Yrger the theist and author of the thread, "Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature."

Correction: the line below, "No, it's begging the question" should read: No, it's [i][b]not [/b][/i] begging the question."


Corrected version:[quote]yrger · 80-89, M
@LeopoldBloom No, it's [b][i]not[/i][/b] begging the question, because I go outside concepts in my mind to seek evidence of the creator God in the concrete reality of our neighborhood.

And I have found evidence, namely: for example babies and roses in our everywhee neighborhood, babies and roses ultimately come from God, "The God (of nature) that is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."[/quote]

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[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread [/b]

[quote]reason and intelligence[/quote]

Why are those more important than particular attributes of other species?

Is it because they are our attributes?

[c=009E4F]yrger/chunkhead[/c]
1) There have been thousands of gods throughout history ([b]fact[/b])
2) No god in history has ever been proven to exist.([b]fact)[/b]
3) Every god in history is man made. ([b]Fact)[/b]
That alone is all the explanation there is.
Reason takes [b]facts [/b] in to account . Faith ignores them.

You talk about God as a singular entity. What about multiple Gods? Why is this limited to monotheism?

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I am Yrger the theist here and author of the present thread, "[i][b]Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature[/b][/i]."

What is nature?
Answer:
[quote]The phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
"the breathtaking beauty of nature"

[b][i]Cfr.[/i][/b] https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=define+nnature[/quote]

Here is what I think why atheists do not know the God of nature, simple: because they are un-natural.

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Hi atheists and everybody else whether atheists or not but who is rational and intelligent but negative toward the existence of God, would it be possible for me Yrger the theist here to ask you all guys to in not more than 50 words tell me what is your concept of God?

I Yrger am theist and I have an ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.



[@atheists]

Addressing atheists, you guys don't have any ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.

@DocSavage

Well, hi Doc, I am still waiting to read your definition of the ultimately catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.



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yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage

You say "God is a catalyst ."

In which case, please define what is utlimately a catalyst-God: in not more than 50 words.

@DocSavage

Tell me, Doc, is this equation from you correct:

[quote]God Who created everything that is not existing independently -Yrger[/quote]

equals

[quote]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD -Doc.[/quote]






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DocSavage · M
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[quote]God Who created everything that is not existing independently.[/quote]
[quote]SO, YOU NOW CLAIM THAT THINGS AND PEOPLE EXIST INDEPENDENT OF GOD[/quote]
that’s twice you fucked it up. The universe “ultimately” doesn’t need a creator. It’s self existing. No god of any kind . We win - you lose.

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You have not any correct idea about the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.

You absurdly refuse to factor in the Background, there is the God of nature.





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Scientists tell us the material-physical universe has a beginning.

[b][i]I am correct.[/i][/b]

From Yrger the theist and author of the thread, "Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature."

Correction: the line below, "No, it's begging the question" should read: No, it's [i][b]not [/b][/i] begging the question."


Corrected version:[quote]yrger · 80-89, M
@LeopoldBloom No, it's [b][i]not[/i][/b] begging the question, because I go outside concepts in my mind to seek evidence of the creator God in the concrete reality of our neighborhood.

And I have found evidence, namely: for example babies and roses in our everywhee neighborhood, babies and roses ultimately come from God, "The God (of nature) that is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."[/quote]

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Hi newjaninev2, you ask me, "if you claim a being created it - what created that being?"

I tell you, ultimately it is God.







newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger if you claim a being created it - what created that being?

[quote] You Doc say: "Assume for the moment that there is no god, it all myth.
Is the universe, with all its infinite wonder and life any less incredible ?

On that assumption from you, I tell you that ultimately you are claiming that the unverse came from nothingness.

Supposing that ultimately there is no permanent self-existent creator of everything that not independently existing, then we would not be here discussing God exists or not.
[/quote]
Finally got my answer through that thick bone plating between your ears ! About fucking time !

Still didn’t answer the question. You called me a coward. I don’t need to have a god watching my back. Do you ?

@newjaninev2

Hi everyone and all atheists, please react to the text below, in regard to the thread, "Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature."

Yours truly,
Yrger the theist.


[quote] yrger · 80-89, M
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Okay atheists, you deny that there is a primordial reality from which all posterior beings came from.

That ultimately explains why we humans are existing today.

What is your alternative to this primordia reality from which all posterior beings owe their existence?[/quote]
[quote]newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger
you deny that there is a primordial reality

What does this mean?

'Primordial reality'?? Utter tosh.

Stop trying to use purple prose to obscure the complete lack of substance in your pronouncements.

In fact, stop making pronouncements altogether!

Say what you wish to say... say it simply, plainly, and directly.

Then stay in the thread where you say it (i.e. use the 'reply' button) because every time you run away you become more and more irrelevant to anything.[/quote]
[quote]yrger · 80-89, M
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Addressing all atheists and also everybody else, I am Yrger the theist and author of the present thread.

I hope to get to know what kind of a world-view atheists have, including everyone else who do have a world-view that is positive or negative in effect toward God.

The God of concern is first before anything else the creator of everything that is not Himself.

My impression is that atheists are in the whole totally hostile emotionally against any world-view where God the creator has an indispensable presence.

Why are they so emotionally hostile to God?

So, hi atheists, why are you so emotionally hostile against God?[/quote]

Hi eveyone, of course, if you don't want to be notified of my ideas, that is (I beg for your forgiveness), your loss: because you close your mind to ideas which are what the mind is created by God for.

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Don't play dumb.





newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger an atheistic attitude

What's an 'atheistic attitude'?

and what's the point of what you just posted?

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yrger · 80-89, M
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Hi Doc, are you claiming that ultimately humans came from nothingness, yes or no?



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Di newj reply to your post below?*



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Now you have to say something stupid with the degree of arrogance necessary to make it seem as if it were intelligent. Go ahead. -Theo



[quote]*TheoreticSkeptic · M
@newjaninev2 Okay, let's go over the part you are avoiding.

1. there's no proof that gods exist

Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

Truth: a fact or belief that is accepted as true.

Gods: In Christianity, the creator and ruler of the universe; supreme being and source of all moral authority.
One having power over nature and human fortunes. An idol or the conventional personification of fate.
An adored, admired or influential person or anything given supreme importance. Money, for example.
A god can be a gallery, that is, the upper balcony in a theater or the people seated there.

You said there's no proof gods exist. I've showed you that a god can be a person, an idol made of metal, wood, stone or anything given supreme importance. Money, food, etc.

I've proved gods exist because we all know those things exist.

Now you have to say something stupid with the degree of arrogance necessary to make it seem as if it were intelligent. Go ahead.[/quote]

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Still you have not explained where you came from ultimately, because your stock of knowledge is depleted.

Why do you believe that God created everything that man encounters in nature. If it's by reasoning, then show your reasoning.

If god can exist without a creator, the universe can exist without a god.
Prove us wrong or shut up.

@newjaninev2

I invite you to do commentaries on each of the following terms:

Cosmic
Microwave
Background
Radiation





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Enumerate also all the good things that God does, okay?!




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Please mention all the disgusting stuffs God does to you, okay!?



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[b]Your acceptance of atheism is, at least , a sign of progress.[/b]

The meaning of un-natural means self-version.

[c=359E00]yrge/chunkhead[/c]
[b]No we don’t [/b]

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[quote] yrger · 80-89, M

I Yrger am theist and I have an ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.



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Addressing atheists, you guys don't have any ultimate explanation of how and why humans are existing.[/quote]

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What's happening?

[quote] yrger · 80-89, M
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Okay atheists, you deny that there is a primordial reality from which all posterior beings came from.

That ultimately explains why we humans are existing today.

What is your alternative to this primordia reality from which all posterior beings owe their existence?[/quote]
[quote]newjaninev2 · 51-55, F
@yrger
you deny that there is a primordial reality

What does this mean?

'Primordial reality'?? Utter tosh.

Stop trying to use purple prose to obscure the complete lack of substance in your pronouncements.

In fact, stop making pronouncements altogether!

Say what you wish to say... say it simply, plainly, and directly.

Then stay in the thread where you say it (i.e. use the 'reply' button) because every time you run away you become more and more irrelevant to anything.[/quote]
[quote]yrger · 80-89, M
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Addressing all atheists and also everybody else, I am Yrger the theist and author of the present thread.

I hope to get to know what kind of a world-view atheists have, including everyone else who do have a world-view that is positive or negative in effect toward God.

The God of concern is first before anything else the creator of everything that is not Himself.

My impression is that atheists are in the whole totally hostile emotionally against any world-view where God the creator has an indispensable presence.

Why are they so emotionally hostile to God?

So, hi atheists, why are you so emotionally hostile against God?[/quote]

Not again? :)

[media=https://youtu.be/wguAQHWVcZY]

Well, that or an acid trip, but you know, you do you.

I am supernatural