Isn’t it weird?

@Inanna It doesn’t even have to get to the point where they’re physically following you, in my book.

In college, there was a guy alternating between ogling, furiously staring at, creepily hitting on, and straight-up screaming at me at some party. He went up to another guy I was friends with and told [i]him[/i] that I was leaving so my friend didn’t need to worry. I count that as “trying to follow me home,” even if it was the shittiest and most flaccid kidnapping attempt I’ve seen yet.

@TiffAching I had that happen to me but i wouldnt count that as trying to follow me home

@Inanna Fair enough. Hope you got out of it okay!

@SW-User Your response to “isn’t it weird that so many women have experienced men doing something shitty but somehow almost no men have noticed?” was to say, “I’ve never seen it, therefore it never happened.”

So yeah, I’m pretty comfortable assuming you’re not arguing in good faith.

(EDIT: Also, just saw your post from a couple hours ago about how you’re literally masturbating to this right now, and ... not to kink-shame, but roping someone into your kink without their consent is [i]peak[/i] proving my point.)

@TiffAching Quote where I said that it never happened. I said that it is possible that it never happened, which it is. You automatically take the stance that it has, based on the narrative that you want to push.

@SW-User If you want me to continue dunking on you so you can keep jerking off to it, I’m going to have to start charging you an hourly rate.

https://similarworlds.com/30-Miscellaneous/3456303-Do-you-ever-do-this-I-sometimes-encourage-verbal

Also, I did not consent to be your jerkoff material here, so ... yeah. Consent is a thing that most people can ask for without too much trouble, just saying.

@TiffAching She was disappointed I hadn't called the police on him. The circumstances were hard to describe, but essentially I didn't have an opportunity because I was in bed and woke up to him sitting on my bed. By the time he left I was just really grateful that he'd gone and I hadn't been raped. I also suffered social anxiety and didn't have much of a compass at that stage due to a fucked up family life.

@SW-User Fuuuuuuuck, that’s terrifying.

Big hugs if you want them.

I will never be okay with people playing armchair coach with women who’ve been assaulted or harassed, because I guarantee you could do or have done [i]literally everything[/i] they suggest and they will invariably come up with one more thing you “obviously” should have done as well, so it’s really your fault 🙄

Calling the police in particular is just dumb in the scenario you were in. By the time you could have, he was already gone! What, are they gonna time-cop him? Assuming they even believe you anyway, which is hardly a given?

Ugh.

I’m glad you’re safe now, at least.

@TiffAching Thank you 🤗

@BluntSm0ker No, honey, rape culture is when you brag about having stories of stalking women and expect other dudes to cheer you on

@BluntSm0ker Again with this claim that I hate men. Isn’t it interesting that you see someone complaining about men who harass women and then jumping to the conclusion that the complainer must hate [i]all[/i] men?

Think about what that says about how [i]you[/i] view men—that every single man regularly harassed women—and then tell me who really thinks less of men. Is it the person who says, “Wow, this group of men who harassed women does some pretty shitty stuff. Come on, guys, you can do better” or is it the person who says, “[i]Fuck you[/i], bitch, no we can’t!” and threatens to rape the first?

(EDIT: In the strictest, most limited sense, I must admit that there are at least two men in the world who I do hate, so in that respect I do “hate men.”)

@MagicaloneANRABF You really, really want to find some fault in this, don’t you?

If you are someone who’s seen harassment and done something to intervene, then (1) good on you, (2) that in no way disproves anything I said, and (3) this post wasn’t really about you.

At no point here have I demanded that anyone “get into a fistfight” or demonstrate psychic powers. If you’d read the comments, you’ll see that, more than once, I have even said that something as simple as saying, “Dude, what the fuck” or letting security know would be doing something to intervene.

I also find it just a little curious that the only people to suggest violence here have: (1) been men, (2) been men who seem angry with [i]me[/i] for pointing out how relatively few men will even speak up when they see someone being harassed, and (3) been men going out of their way to justify letting harassment slide.

But anyway, if you’ve stepped up and said something, good on you. That means you were one of the people to both notice harassment and some something to stop it. That also means this post isn’t really about you.

@TiffAching wow....there is no good answer....you are on a crusade. I have LGBT in my family. Love them even more because I know not everyone is open minded and accepting. But they certainly do not have that big chip on their shoulder that you do. I think you just like confrontation. Bye.....have a good life

@MagicaloneANRABF “You sure do have a chip on your shoulder,” sneers the person desperately trying to start a fight.

You are also the only one here to mention LGBTQ folks, so I’m not sure why you think that’s relevant (hint: it isn’t, ya 🤡).

@HannahSky I’m very glad you haven’t dealt with that. I hope your luck continues to hold out, because that shit is [i]scary[/i] when it happens.

@TiffAching I'm sure it is. I don't know anyone personally that has experienced that either.
Sounds more like stalking than a simple rejection, which most men are able to handle.

@MagicaloneANRABF I’m really delighted by your inability and/or refusal to figure out how to reply to comments here, not to mention double-posting replies an hour apart.

EDIT: Here is the full text of the DM you sent me right when you posted this comment, just in case anyone here still thinks you were ever arguing in good faith:

[quote] Reading all your banter and fight provoking thread. You really are a C U Next Tuesday. Figure it out.[/quote]

🤡

@MagicaloneANRABF Fun Fact 1: Nothing about my post claimed that some women don’t [i]also[/i] do shitty things.

EDIT: Fun Fact 2: An hour before you posted literally the same comment (word-for-word), you sent me this DM:

[quote]Reading all your banter and fight provoking thread. You really are a C U Next Tuesday. Figure it out.[/quote]

As far as biting remarks go, that’s not even dad joke territory. It’s not even [i]uncle[/i] joke territory. I’m sorry you are such a fragile creature that someone observing that some men are shitty cuts you to the bone this way.

@DrSunnyTheSkeptic 🙄

@BluntSm0ker There's not a stick of male hatred in it. As a dude I've written about the same phenomenon that the women in my life have experienced. Not because I hate myself for being male. I just wanted the women in my life treated with respect.

@CopperCicada This.

“Guys, you can do better” is the opposite of hatred. Hatred would involve assuming that they [i]couldn’t[/i].

@BluntSm0ker Yes, god forbid anyone say that harassment isn’t okay 🙄

@MartinTheFirst As an adult male who has had the women in my life face this issue, just as @TiffAching describes, I don't see this as an aspersion against men. I don't see it as a barb at my head. Probably because I don't do these things.

As for @TiffAching's sarcasm.. a woman is sarcastic about not being respected-- should we get the guillotine out?

@CopperCicada Mr.Simp: "She's a woman and goes through hardships so she can behave however she wants. Sarcasm is not an issue in the face of INJUSTICES!"

@CopperCicada Honestly, the only part that threw me for a loop was clicking through to the one guy’s profile and seeing he’d made a post about how getting insulted turned him on, which suddenly made it a lot clearer why he was heart-ing my posts while also acting like a scholarship kid at clown college. [i]That[/i] was something new.

But seriously, folks, if you’ve got a kink like that, [i]that, by itself, is fine[/i], but you [i]also[/i] shouldn’t rope other people into fulfilling your kink without their knowledge or consent. Particularly not when you’re already in a thread about harassing women.