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Gordon Chang, Asia Analyst, says that China released this virus deliberately, and that they will do it again. True? False?

He says that first the Chinese lied, deliberately, about human to human transmission, and they closed their own borders, yet allowed infected Chinese citizens to fly all over the world. THEN they applied pressure to all the countries who wanted to close their borders, stating that only xenophobia would cause countries to do so, so many borders remained open long after infected travelers from China should have been excluded.

In effect, these actions spread what could have been a localized epidemic, and caused a pandemic.

Gordon Chang believes China was doing this to weaken worldwide economies so that they can become THE dominating world power.

He says they WILL do this again.

If they release even one more virus on the world, is there any hope of HUMAN survival?

What are your opinions?
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout41-45, MVIP Best Comment
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Mamapolo2016F
I don't know anything about Gordon Chang.

I do know that not many scholarly pieces about geopolitics get read by many people who are not geopolitical geeks (not a disparaging term).

That makes me skeptical about writers who become media darlings. The only way you get to be a media darling is by writing things that make half the world furious and make the other half do a fist pump and yell "Yesssss!"

It's a TV sitcom vs Shakespearean comedy.

It may be true this happened accidentally and the Chinese ruling party looked at their lemons and decided to make lemonade.

I don't know - and at this juncture I don't think anyone does know.
4meAndyouF
@Mamapolo2016 If he is right, and if they release another virus, do you believe we are in any way ready for it?
Mamapolo2016F
@4meAndyou [b][i]If[/i][/b] he is right, and [b]if[/b] they "release another virus" I think we will be readier than we were this time, in terms of experience.

We would act more quickly and decisively. I think. I hope.

And I suspect the rest of the world, not only the US, would regard another "accidental slip-up" in a lab in the near future as an act of war.
4meAndyouF
@Mamapolo2016 Exactly.
ValentineM
Maybe I have blind and naive ignorance but I cannot believe it was released on purpose. Yes, it might have been exacerbated by inaction and cover up, but not on purpose. This virus has unfortunately shown us all up to be quite inadequate. Hey ho.
4meAndyouF
@Valentine He's back on television...same fellow...and says now that he agrees they did not manufacture or release the virus on purpose...but once it escaped from the lab in Wuhan and began to decimate their population there, he says they began to release their infected population to the rest of the world in order to level the playing field.
SW-User
I think as a minimum they deliberately withheld information
4meAndyouF
@SW-User That is correct. AND if they knew that covid19 was human to human transmissible, AND if the Chinese government actively pressured other governments to allow Chinese citizens to fly into their countries during this period...which is also quite true...that speaks of much, much more.
PeachesF
@SW-User Thank you! 馃槖 I think A LOT is hidden from the public.
Wraithorn51-55, M
I don't believe that. I think it would be helpful to find out who has paid Gordon Chang to say that.
There is as much evidence for that as there is for Russia influencing the last US elections. Zero evidence. Rumour and hearsay is not evidence.
4meAndyouF
@Wraithorn We will probably have to wait and see...BUT...that being said, there is usually no smoke without fire.

And we DO have evidence about Russia trying to influence the last elections...Facebook took down the Russian trolls, and lawsuits were filed against the Russians who owned those accounts...even though it will never go to court...and their visas were permanently revoked. It was established by our intelligence agencies that the Russians in question WERE employed by their government.
Wraithorn51-55, M
@4meAndyou As far as I know none of those Russians in the whole FB saga had accounts that influenced the elections in any way. Those of them who were charged with crimes were NOT charged with anything that influenced the outcome of the elections.

Also, if one is to assume that a few FB accounts could influence the elections in such a way, then we also have to assume that Americans are generally dimwits. I don't believe they are.

This is the power of the media which is used by their handlers to affect public opinion in justifying many things, including war. They repeat the same crap over and over so that people end up believing it even though NO hard evidence is shown.

If you trust your intelligence agencies then I suggest you think again. Keep in mind that they and British intelligence were responsible for spreading the biggest conspiracy theory in the past century. The "fact" that Saddam Hussein had WMD when they knew very well that he did not. That lie they told repeatedly (using the media etc), in order to convince the public that war was the best option, caused death and destruction to literally millions of people. And were they prosecuted for that terrible and blatant lie ?
No, of course not. Why not ? Maybe because Persians have mostly brown skin so the rest of us Whities don't really give a fuck.

I'm not ranting at you dear lady. I am raging against the machine that worships money and power and uses you and I as cannon fodder.
4meAndyouF
@Wraithorn You are correct in that...but why were they there on Facebook? To sow division...this one trolling for Hillary, that one trolling for Trump, and all of them working for mother Russia.

They were charged by our DOJ but we can't prosecute them. And I disagree about the intelligence of most Americans. Look at any breakdown of populace in ANY country where intelligence has been measured...and you will see that most people are average or slightly below average in intelligence...and when you stack that against manipulation by our media and by the Chinese who have infiltrated our schools with their money and their agenda, most people are having the wool pulled over their eyes. IMO. Some just want to get rich off the Chinese.

Agree completely about our MSM here. Repeat a lie about 50 million times, and suddenly everyone thinks it is the truth.

It's true we have had some real scum running Washington for the past 20 years, and we are now trying to "drain the swamp", including Brennan's CIA and Comey's FBI, and root out the criminals who are entrenched therein. The takedown of Michael Flynn, who was to have become the new boss of National Security, by crooks inside the FBI, (because they knew him and didn't like him), by deliberately setting him up and threatening his son, is coming to light now.

I don't know nearly enough about the takedown of Saddam Hussein...I do know that George Bush, a Republican, was President in 2006 when Hussein was taken down. As to skin color motivations, I sincerely doubt it. And I would say so if I thought otherwise.

I agree completely that my country has been selling us ALL down the river for a very long time...and it's time to take it back and make it just even a tiny bit more lawful...wouldn't that be great? Don't hold your breath. But at least THIS president is going to try.
senghenyddM
Germ warfare was a topic discussed in the nineteen sixties countries had worse viruses than this stored and still have if you really wanted to cause problems then look no further than ebola if that got out it would be far worse than this Covid-19
pennynoodles56-60, F
I think it is quite dangerous to make accusations without showing the proof.
Human survival would be in trouble. ...big trouble.
4meAndyouF
@pennynoodles Agreed.
curiosi61-69, F
Of course, and it's working the sheep are scared senseless and will do anything they are told.
4meAndyouF
@curiosi They will probably even believe that the massive covid19 contamination in our meat plants was an accident! 馃
SmartKat56-60, F
I doubt it. Why would they kill us off if they鈥檙e still making money off us?
4meAndyouF
@SmartKat You should listen to that video made by Mike Bloomberg where he thinks it's a great idea to just let all the people over the age of 95 be refused treatment for cancer...and he has 60 billion dollars...a big chunk of that invested in medical supplies in China.

The Chinese government promotes globalism. Globalists ALL want smaller populations, less beef production, etc etc. The US medicare system, in addition to the pension system of the Chinese, was about to collapse under the weight of an enormous population. In our case, here in the USA, Alzheimer's and Dementia care for US elderly alone was going to collapse medicare within 10 years.

We don't like to talk about it, but we can't afford to take care of people who made poor health choices and need a great deal of care which families don't want to provide for them.
jackson55M
It wouldn鈥檛 surprise me. Flights to and from China are still happening.
jackson55M
@4meAndyou One would think China wouldn鈥檛 let them fly if ill unless there鈥檚 another motive??
4meAndyouF
@jackson55 It does make one wonder...doesn't it?
jackson55M
@4meAndyou Chang may be right. 馃
PeachesF
I read where some guy was caught with the virus in his socks at an airport?!馃槼 I have always believed the virus was man made. In the bible it says a great nation will fall, I'm sure it's the USA and China will probably be the new super power. It's in Revelations. No, I don't think we would survive another virus! There is a battle between good and evil right now. I think the ET's are even trying to help us, 馃懡锔弔he good ones anyway.
PeachesF
@4meAndyou I've been following David Wilcock and he has a video talking about this guy with the virus in his socks and much more. I realize some think he's full of sh!t, but he also predicted Jeffrey Epstein's fall before it hit the news!
4meAndyouF
@Peaches Well, I guess some of these folks just want and need a shocking tale so that they can make money with videos and vlogs. But they should always be taken with a grain of salt. It would be in the news somewhere...if true...but it isn't.
PeachesF
@4meAndyou I don't think we'll get the truth in the news either.
bowman81M
If it were the case? A regime that would do this could not be allowed to remain in power. Total unrestricted war and all that entails would be the result.
4meAndyouF
@bowman81 Agreed. One more "mistake" like this and we will all know for sure.
SW-User
Pure speculation.
4meAndyouF
@SW-User Let's speculate, then, for a moment...that China WILL do this again. What should we be doing to prepare?
SW-User
@4meAndyou If this were genuinely considered to be both true and a future risk then war would be the inevitable consequence.
4meAndyouF
@SW-User We would have to go into PPE production full tilt, and begin manufacture of ALL medications on our home soils, in whichever country we happen to live.
Quizzical46-50, M
Well, it backfired somewhat if that was the plan...
4meAndyouF
@Quizzical I don't think they care about human life in the same way that we do.
Elessar26-30, M

 
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