Only logged in members can reply and interact with the post.
Join SimilarWorlds for FREE »

Covid 19 UK responce

So the Uk responce lead by the PM and the UK top scientists is to let the 60% who are healthy contract Covid 19 so the body can build up an imunine system to it

to me thats an extremly dangerous plan as you're relying on each individual to survive it!

so what are your thoughts on an action plan?
SW-User
The only good thing I've seen for a plan is in Singapore. They were ready ,they were fast and made their people feel that they had this under control. They were the first to have drive by testing and tests for that matter ..they were just better prepared than anybody
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@SW-User yes they seem to be very proactive toards it.
SW-User
There are potential risks in all strategies. If you lock everyone down then you contain but you don't build immunity and you don't eradicate the virus. It can come straight back and you're back to square one. There is an inevitability about having to get this thing and build resistance to it if it's going to be here to stay. What you try to avoid is having too much need for hospital care all at the same time, so you try to stretch it out.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User The eventual result of the “max containment” strategy is vaccination. So in the end you’re supposed to end up in the same place.
SW-User
@QuixoticSoul That is true, but that would be a very long containment unless I'm missing what you're saying (which is possible as my brain is sometimes upside down, lol).
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@SW-User No you’re not. We may be in for a very weird year.
BalmyNites · F
They haven’t stipulated which groups, they’ve just stated they want 60% of the population to contract Covid-19 in order for the (so called) herd immunity to kick in. This plan is inherently flawed because it would henceforth cause the deaths of thousands before the point of immunity.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@BalmyNites Well unless you are part of the 1% and they will look after you in the private secter away from the rest of us.

The thing is we really arent follwoing anyone else.
BalmyNites · F
@milkymum1 Haven’t you heard? There isn’t going to be a private sector. With the whole infrastructure in danger of collapse, the government is presently in talks to open up the private clinics/hospitals to help the NHS cope with the massive burden of Covid-19.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@BalmyNites Yes i heard that but its still the private sector which eventually will introdiced fully into the NHS if boris and co get thier way!
polyandrym66 · 70-79, M
The UK usually is ahead of the entire world when it comes to health issues, so even thought this is not a vaccine ... It might be something that works..
Here in the USA they are just telling us to wash our hands and stop shaking hands and keep 6 feet away from others...
Northwest · M
@polyandrym66 I just saw the President, shake hands with at least one of the speakers at his press conference, or at least I think this is what I saw. It was quick.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@polyandrym66 The thing is the tories have done 10 years of austerity and the NHS is serverly under funded so they know any up turn in people ebing ill will show how bad theyve been, so the uk government have told people to self isolate and to carry on as normal, the ONLY advice is to wash your hands. Everything is being kept open from airports to schools.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Northwest He shook hands with all of them.
Nimbus · M
Well, one could argue that it's an improvement on:

LadyJ · F
I live in the UK and cannot believe what's happening Boris johnson is actually leaving us to it, hes doing nothing to help prevent this from becoming a
Full on disaster ..millions are going to die and get sick and he's showing no real concern..the UK is actually an island if he had closed the borders 6 weeks ago we could have avoided all this he will have alot to answer for in the next few months
LadyJ · F
@QuietEd2019 Yes I understand what your saying but at the same time Boris Johnson is not looking out for the British people he should have closed the schools,universities and public buildings but hes actually nothing to help he thinks putting a few drive through testing tents up is covering it..he's a joke like I said this will get alot worse in the next few months and when it's finally all over he will have to explain to the people that are left why he didn't try and contain it and do more
QuietEd2019 · 31-35, M
@LadyJ the school’s will get closed as and when required the economic impact of shutting so much for weeks or months makes such measures unfeasible and unsustainable
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@questionWeaver fuck the borders close the schools , gatherings, businesses which arent essentual actually pay all workers no matter thier contracts a decent sick leave and actually help the people not fuck them over.
Nanori · F
They just can't wait to wipe out people who have weak immunity system
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Nanori Yes they have been doing it throught the benifet system, to the homeless and this is the next step by the lord boris!!
bearinthehalfwayhouse · 26-30, M
@Nanori .... You make it sound hot. ┬┴┬┴┤•ᴥ•ʔ
Nanori · F
@bearinthehalfwayhouse well I can't help it 😌
BlueVeins · 22-25
Kinda defeats the purpose, eh?
That is truly a bizarre plan ... I read it too ... and read it three times.

There is merit to the premise that mild infections build immunity.... and immunity builds blocks to disabling community spread.

Unmanaged ... it would likely tilt to disaster

No world government has enough platinum project managers or accurate enough info to execute such an endeavor.

It has to be considered right up there with the British Military, in the 1920's, declaring the airplane of no value to military warfare.
I'm in America. We have declared a state of emergency in most states. In my state they have shut down all schools for almost 4 weeks k-12 grade. Companies are shutting down and making their employees work from home. I think it's funny because I work a rescue as a paramedic for 911. So no safety for me. Good luck! The earth's way of Population control at it's best.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Wolfbyblood at least your state is doing something, here so far everything has stayed the same just wash your hands more so end of as far as the government are concerned at the moment.

here so far the government have said when its need they will impliment but havent explained how people will be able to work or be paid if they have to stay at home

they also said supermarkets will deliver the food to people self isolated but havent said how or if they will wear protective clothing

as for the ambulance services they havent been given any protective clothing.
@milkymum1 yeah we always have what we call a PPE (personal protection equipment) kit. Comes with gown, protective glasses and face shield. We also have what we call N95 masks that block out most everything. Sucks wish you guys had more over there.
Northwest · M
The biggest problem with this approach, is it's similar to saying: let 60% of people contract the flu, it builds immunity. No it does not, because the same 60% will get sick again, when the next season rolls around.

Multiple vaccines are entering the testing phase, so we need to buy time, by slowing down the infection rate.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Northwest *Some* immunity is a lot better than none. We’ve seen this before with H1N1 outbreaks, etc.

But I don’t know if we know enough about this virus to understand how effective these sorts of measures will be in the first place.
Northwest · M
@QuixoticSoul I'm basing it on the regular flu. If you get the flu this year, and you don't vaccinate yourself next year, and you get exposed, you will get the flu again.

There are a lot of things we don't know about this new virus, but one thing we know: it's extremely contagious, and it's probably a lot more widespread that we know.

An account from an individual in Seattle. This happened before the first deaths were reported. A women reported going to a party in Seattle. A day or two later, she experienced some cold symptoms, and all the friends who were at the party, experienced the same symptoms. They took advantage of a U. of Washington affiliated program (Fred Hutchinson Research Institute), to test them for the flu (free test), so most of them did.

The researcher running the study, was actually trying to identify the virus patterns (and working on a test and vaccine), so when they all tested negative for the flu, he tested for COVID-19, and they all tested positive. In the meanwhile, all the symptoms had gone away.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Northwest yes also if its like the flu every year its slightly a dfferent strain so all will happen is the same fiasco again.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
In order to combat a virus you need a vaccine.
And the fact is there isn't one !

SO then you have to do the next best thing.
Remind everyone that good hygeine and taking responsibility for your actions is as cautious as you can effectively be.

The only real question is at what point do you instigate draconian measures with regard to closure of public amenities; isolating new cases; find ways to keep the sick from the well.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Nimbus Not sure i'd put too much stock in their ideas either and for similar reasons.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Nimbus Widespread and frequent testing and social distancing, mostly - with government assistance, work from home orders, etc. Life goes on, but streets are empty. No complete China-style lockdowns though.
Nimbus · M
@QuixoticSoul Interesting.
Zaphod42 · 46-50, M
It’s a bad plan as plans go, but on the other hand I haven’t heard anyone put forward a good plan aside from hyper vigilant hygiene practices 🤷‍♂️
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Zaphod42 Plenty of other countries have been very proactive and not putting thier own citizens in the line of fire!
QuietEd2019 · 31-35, M
Medically there is not a vaccine to take so the only way to build an immunity is to have and fight the virus and keep up good hand hygiene so that other’s more at risk from its effects don’t catch it
ArishMell · 70-79, M
That's not quite what anyone wants, but unfortunately illnesses like Covid-19 and flu that are not themselves fatal, are always one step ahead; so what's rather inelegantly called "herd immunity" is about the only long-term protection from it.

That already exists for many similar illnesses, but it does not mean people won't contract them, nor that people in a very frail state will necessarily survive the combination of new infection and their existing diseases.

Really all anyone can do is follow the various precautions already well published.
Hasmita · M
Italy's Chief Medical Officer has died of the virus.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Hasmita some MPs in the UK have contracted it or have self isolated
Hasmita · M
@milkymum1 Did anyone else think Johnson didn't look well when he did his tv thing yesterday?
yeronlyman · 51-55, M
That’s a long term strategy not short term. Short term you have to limit so resources can handle the exponential rise.

Vaccines and herd immunity are important over time, but first response to contain and delay is vital
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@yeronlyman Well with the NHS the last 10 eyars aysterity cut backs meand 17, 000 less beds, 100,000 or so less doctors and nurses so the NHS is complety not ready for any mass increase in sick people.

We only have 5,000 venterlaters for a population of 64 million and the projected 40 million healthy being put at risk.

the thing is the governemtn udner the tories keep promising money and extra money but all that does is take funding back to the levels of 2010!!!

The ONLY reason boris is going for the slow approch and to self isolate is to save the NHS from collapse and then his job.

like with schools etc they are being kept open simply for the money side as school in the UK make up 3% of the GDP.

Also as for the hearding is this is like the flu then next year it will be a different strain and we will be back to square one again.
yeronlyman · 51-55, M
@milkymum1 again I’m not arguing with you. I think you misread the. Sentient and theme of my Original answer
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@yeronlyman Not at all, you missed my point where if this is like the flu then next year it will be a different strain so we will be back to square one again.
I will admit I don't know the details but this seems somehow more idiotic then Trump's plans and here is why. How the hell do you keep those people from spreading it to those who are vulnerable. Unless they plan to send all the elderly and the disabled to a deserted island somewhere I can't see how this works without getting alot of people killed.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Well, that’s one way to achieve herd immunity, a partial vaccination, the hard way.

Expectation is that 40-70% of us will get it, at least this way they pick the pace, and targets.

But damn that is some hardcore shit.
SW-User
Khenpal1 · M
There is no guarantee if one gets immune by getting it . Perfect Brexit strategy , non one will ever allow tourists or visitors from UK or seasonal workers.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Khenpal1 Please don't try to politicise the situation. It is too important for that.

 
Post Comment