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Communism is a VERY bad idea.

FACT: Socialism and Communism have resulted in mass suffering, mayhem and death literally every time they have been implemented in human history - without exception. For those of you radical lefty trolls who - no doubt - will have a need to chime in in favor of communism, and "accuse" me of voting for Trump let me spare you the time. I am voting for President Trump.

Trump Trump Trumpety Trump Trump! Say it with me now lefties, President TRUMP!

And I dare you to comment rationally on this post without using an ad hominem attack or profanity.

All profane and ad hominem attacks will be deleted. I guess that means you won't be commenting will you?

In closing I would like to invite you to go toke another joint, sit in the lotus position and contemplate your naval.
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TexChik · F
@robingoodfellow why would they give up their money? They paid into it ... they deserve it .
@TexChik Well exactly. It's a little piece of [i]socialism.[/i] Everyone pays into it and everyone benefits. PLEASE don't misunderstand, I'm not saying an all socialistic government is a good thing. But little bits of socialism do work in a capitalistic country like the USA. Horacegreenley is putting a tinfoil hat on me for saying that but he's not thinking. I'm sure he wouldn't take away social security checks from our senior citizens. I'm 54 years old, I work 60 hours a week and luckily can put a little money aside for retirement now and then, but without the socialism we call social security and medicare I wouldn't be able to survive any form of retirement.
TexChik · F
@robingoodfellow it becomes socialism after the democrats raided the fund . It was supposed to be a government backed retirement fund ... for those who paid in .

It’s certainly not full blown capitalism killing socialism

badminton · 61-69, MVIP
Red baiting, how quaint. Marxist communism is discredited, a dead horse, but some people just want to keep on beating it.

Much more relevant topics for the present time are the bail-outs and tax breaks Congress gives to super wealthy corporations. And the off-shore tax havens used by the wealthy to avoid their tax obligations. The elephant in the living room of America is the disparity of wealth between the super wealthy 1% and millions of working poor, and the destitute homeless. As my mother used to say [b]feed the needy not the greedy.[/b]

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@badminton Why are the veterans forced to beg for food? Are they incapable of work?
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@hippyjoe1955 We owe our veterans for their service. They come home from foreign battlefields, wounded in body and mind, with PTSD. They need and deserve our help.

After WW2 and the Korean war Congress passed the G.I. Bill. My father, a Korean war-era veteran, was the first in his family to be able to go to college thanks to the G.I. Bill. We need such programs again. I for one will gladly pay taxes for job training programs for our military veterans.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@badminton Maybe we should just keep our soldiers home unless there is a real need to deploy them such as after the Pearl Harbor attack. My father was too young to fight in WWII and an established farmer during the Korea conflict. He was exempt. My father in law fought in the ugliest battle in Italy and was awarded the distinguished service medal for bravery after he called for artillery fire on his own position to repel the Germans. I had two uncles that went in on the first wave on D Day. They continued to to fight until the end of the war finishing in Germany. The father in law came home started a family and a business and passed quietly in his sleep having run his little business through out his life. One of my uncles was a grocery store clerk until he retired the other worked in the post office. My high school teacher was a retired Sgt Major and had seen many many battles in Europe. My brother in laws father was part of the Dunkirk debacle and spent years in a German prisoner of war camp. He became a heavy equipment operator. None of them needed special care or attention. There was one fellow who was completely destroyed by the war. He was a haunted soul that would wander in to the coffee shop and after two sips of coffee jump up and race out the door. A little while later he would repeat the same ritual. The coffee shop owner never charged him for his coffee and his family who ran a farm took care of him as best they could. He was never in need beyond his ruined mind. The guy who ran the local toy store wasn't quite as lucky. He flew in the bombers over Germany and was shot down. He could never lift his head and his legs were never able to fully function. He was happily married and ran a successful store. The kids all loved to visit his store.
Eternity · 26-30, M
Capitalism fails just as much as socialism and communism does just in different ways.

People die on waiting lists for organs meanwhile the rich can basically walk into Costco and come out with a fresh 6 pound bag of human hearts.

The justice system is skewed in favor of the elite. If I go out and run over a woman while I'm driving drunk I will never see the light of day again. If a rich kid does it he has "emotional affluenza", doesnt know right from wrong, and therefore cannot be punished.

Anything that helps the working people is viewed as "Communism"

Can we get a shorter work week? No that's communism.

Can we have affordable healthcare? No that's communism.

Can we pay less taxes and let the wealthy pick up the difference? No that's communism.

Can we unionize? Fine I'll allow it but only if you sign this charter that says you will never strike. Otherwise its communism.

Everything in this nation, every barrier that guards vital functions of a stable society, is semi-permiable in favor of the rich.

The people who do the least work ride the backs of those that do the most work.

Say what you want but that is not fair, it is not right, and it will not stand for much longer.

History teaches another lesson: that when structures such as the described occur inevitably they are toppled by those who tire of bearing the yoke of oppression.

If the elites cannot learn to share then they will fall.

Sooner or later, Babylon [i]will[/i] fall.
Eternity · 26-30, M
@TexChik free market and free populace are not synonymous with one another.

Objectively speaking the USA is the least "free" of all the developed nations.

We incarcerate a massively disproportionate amount of our own people for nonviolent crimes.

The USA maybe be much better compared to a lot of less developed nations, but when compared to other nations that are developed to the same/similar levels as we are, the USA is a police state.

You get arrested for walking down the wrong street here whereas in much of Europe there is a "right to roam" law that says you can go anywhere so long as you do no harm.

You get arrest for [i]handing out free food[/i] here (disgusting concept right? Giving away food to people who need it? Fuckin commies) whereas in much of Europe there are incentives in place for people who feed the hungry.

People go to prison for decades over [i]marijuana[/i] here. Fucking pot! Meanwhile alcoholism is a staple in the lives of "Good old boys" despite the fact that it kills far more people yearly than weed ever has (0).

Just because [i]you[/i] are doing well and the people you choose to associate with are doing well doesn't mean that all is well; it just means that you're standing near the top of the structure that puts the common man on the bottom.

You married the right person, you're the right color, the right orientation, the right religion.

You're just lucky that you are your nation's favorite demographic.
TexChik · F
@Eternity please move to a communist country and stay there . It’s not happening here
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HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
The only economic system in human history that elevated a majority of a society's population out of poverty is capitalism.

This is an indisputable historical fact.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Northwest That is because I won't dignify your remarks with a response.
Northwest · M
@HoraceGreenley [quote]That is because I won't dignify your remarks with a response.[/quote]

In other words, you're full of shit/memes and you have no possible way to refute the facts. That's your MO.
Wait, what? So the CCP “wiped out poverty” as you claim, YET people in Wuhan were so hungry they were eating rats and bats in wet markets? You know, the shit that started the plague of 2019? Yeah! Sounds like they are downright THRIVING in China! What a bubbling crock of shitty propoganda! 😂 @Northwest
PinkPunk · F
capitalism only works if you have laws and regulations that guarantee a free market...

but in the last 30 years those regulations have disappeared leading to price fixing and mega corpse influencing the politics.

so if you want to have a free market you need to cut down those mega corps
PinkPunk · F
@acpguy cry more baby... you need to stop reading propaganda and learn some economic
acpguy · C
@PinkPunk You are a waste of my time snowflake. And it appears you are probably a no brain foreigner that is a socialist that has no right to comment as it is a good chance a chicom.
PinkPunk · F
@acpguy are you still talking.. go away retard
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
The only economic system in human history that elevated a majority of a society's population out of poverty is capitalism.

This is an indisputable historical fact.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 OK...to me they are one in the same. Trading is merely a tool to lubricate the processes of free enterprise.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@HoraceGreenley I agree in the main but people sloshing money back and forth is not the cause of success and advance. The money comes in handy when taking the idea to market but first there has to be the idea. The guy who invented the combine harvester revolutionized farming. His contribution was the idea and the grunt work of building the first one. After that the rest is history.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 Well capital formation is necessary to broadly commercialize any idea.
JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
Why do you insist on calling dictators as communist leaders? Stalin-dictator, Kim Jong un- dictator, Fidel Castro- dictator, XI - dictator. You fail to accept that although these people labelled themselves as communist leaders they were all dictators, nothing of which revolves around being communistic, but you’ll still use it to undermine a system that will benefit all when you don’t blatantly put dictators as leaders.
JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
@acpguy I think we both know you are just trying to convince yourself you are better off living there
acpguy · C
@JovialPlutonian Another typical liberal dumb ass argument; I spoke of farming you comprehension impaired idiot.

You continued to argue without answering one question I posed which show you are hiding your jealousy and are afraid of answering. So go back to your hole troll because you are totally brainless.
acpguy · C
@JovialPlutonian You are a waste of air and space. Kiss my ass you idiot.
texasdaddydom · 51-55, M
what you don't seem to grasp is NO ONE IN AMERICA IS TRYING TOMAKE IT A COMMUNIST COUNTRY universal health care is in many non-comunustic countries. we have many socialistic policies in place but MOST is geared for the benefit of cooperations rather than the individual. cooperate welfare cost the average American taxpayer ten times the just look at the recent stimulus packages vs what corporations received. and the amount of waste graft and fraud is MORE on the cooperate scale than the individual.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Carazaa You haven't answered my question. If you believe in paying taxes why should your moving expenses be written off? Why should there be any deductions? I moved multiple times and never wrote off my moving expenses. Didn't see much point since I borrowed my buddies horse trailer and pickup to move. I paid him a hundred bucks which he promptly gave to the church. He didn't want any compensation since he was doing it unto the LORD.
Carazaa · F
@hippyjoe1955
Only proving his motivation! Good for you! I’m going running now! Have a nice day!
acpguy · C
@anythingoes477 You writing sounds exactly what the liberals want; more antifa idiots. The liberals are supporting antifa with money and supplies as reported even on your favorite fake news; CNN and PBS. Since you know Trump has a gold plated toilet have you been licking it? You have no brains and really shouldn't show it by public dissertations like you have.
Mathis1 · M
It is amazing to me - the significant amount of Canadian (and other OCONUS) leftist hippies who troll these posts. The lion's share of them literally have no frame of reference for what they're talking about. Also they are consistently FULL OF RAGE.... spewing profanity, accusations and threats like monkeys throwing dung.
assemblingaknob · 26-30, F
So is monetary hoarding.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@assemblingaknob That doesn't happen in America
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@HoraceGreenley I know that some preppers keep lots of cash hidden in a safe place but that cash isn't very much when put up against a whole economy. If the guy has a million dollars behind the bricks of his fireplace doesn't compare to the Trillions of dollars sloshing about in the stock markets and businesses that are providing employment and healthy incomes to everyday workers.
JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
@HoraceGreenley I admit I didn’t know there was an infinite amount of money lol
BlueVeins · 22-25
That's an absurd reason to vote for Trump, considering that he's running against neither a Commie nor a socialist. The 2020 election is milktoast neoliberal vs orange milktoast neoliberal. Get real.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueVeins Baby steps grasshopper. If you drive out all the corporations with excessive taxes the government can take control. You aren't very bright are you?
BlueVeins · 22-25
@hippyjoe1955 After all, that is what happened under Reagan. I distinctly remember that chapter in the history books, when all of the companies moved to Europe in the '80s and Reagan established the totalitarian Posadist state he'd always dreamed of. Dark days, those were. 😞
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueVeins You read about something in history books. Hmmm. I lived through the Reagan years. I wasn't his biggest fan but nothing of what you are talking about happened. BTW did you know that all budgets are set by congress not the president. The president puts out a suggestion but it is up to congress to approve or disapprove of the measure. Congress also loves to add in all kinds of goodies for their constituents. Maybe if you read a bit o civic you would know that.
G00GLE · 22-25, M
Communism doesn't work because the people at the top will always become power hungry.
Trump is an idiot though, and managed to fuck up a relatively well working system. Relatively because it's still shit, but it offered some freedom and equality. Also he's orange. What grown man is orange? It's disturbing.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@G00GLE So you really aren't that bright. Thanks for confirming. My analogy is solid. You whataboutism is stupid.
G00GLE · 22-25, M
@hippyjoe1955 "Please provide some cases to back up your allegations."
Tell me how your analogy makes any sense.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@G00GLE If you are making a choice with the best of intentions such as jumping off a cliff because you think it would be fun. I show you a video of the last cliff jumper who killed himself jumping am I spoiling your fun or providing you with an insight into the consequences of your intended actions? I'm not saying your can't jump. That remains your choice but at least now you have a more complete picture of what happens when people jump off a cliff. Much the same as communism. A friend of mine went to visit some relatives in Russia before the fall of the Soviet Union. (socialists/communists). They worked on a farm and he owned a very successful farm here in Alberta so he had a good idea of what he was looking at. They took him out to their wheat field and boasted of the bumper crop. He didn't have the heart to tell them that if that were his crop he would consider it a wasted year. His family didn't really care about the crop since they were being paid by the state whether the crops was a roaring success or a terrible failure. They were allotted so much seed and so much fertilizer and so much fuel to run their equipment. If they ran short - oh well. They were getting paid by the state. The day he left he asked his family if they knew that the USSR was importing boatloads of wheat from Canada. They couldn't and wouldn't believe him. Their system was keeping them safe even as Canada was donating all that wheat to them. My friend laughed and told them that they were likely eating his wheat when they bought their bread from the government store.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
The historical database is very clear on this point
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Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@PainfulTruth Where are these right people you speak of??
Are all the Russian citizens suffering, with modern clean subways with chandeliers and mosaic tile pictures on the walls while they eat cheese burgers from McDonalds first introduced there 30 years ago ? I am Not an advocate of communism. I believe that Capitalism that encourages individuals with the ability to become what they choose and an affluent life for themselves and their families, or wealthy if they choose, until it becomes Profit before peoples lives and "The Love of money" greed and deceit that we see here today in Business, Politics, Religion, Education, the Boy scouts, etc..
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@wildbill83 Sweet!!!!
Wordlover · F
So is Fascism......
Wordlover · F
@hippyjoe1955 not stupid, just an accurate observation! I I suggest you look up some facts written by historians and not bigots.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@Wordlover [quote]But actually has nothing to do with socialism[/quote]

Funny how that's always the same retort every time someone uses an actual example of a socialist state (USSR, Nazi Germany, North Korea, etc.)

So by your own admission, socialism doesn't work, yet you still pursue it...

Therein lies the sad irony, it's the naive ignorant of socialist wannabees that give rise to communist/totalitarian dictatorships. right, left, socialist, fascist, makes no difference; the end result is always the same; any time a government promises "shared wealth", it has always and inevitably lead to a dictatorship with nothing but shared misery...

acpguy · C
@Wordlover Please look at Hitlers party it was d-e-m-o-c-r-a-t. Just like the KKK.
Northwest · M
[quote]Communism is a VERY bad idea.[/quote]

The Soviet Union failed three decades ago.

The Berlin Wall fell three decades ago.

Germany reunited 30 years ago.

Eastern Europe went capitalist three decades ago.

China is an Orwellian society rivaling Las Vegas and Rodeo Drive.

I suppose it might have taken you this long to come to this conclusion because North Korea is still communist and KJU and Trump are in love.

The rest of us are pretty certain, at this point, that communism has always been a very bad idea.

[quote]FACT: Socialism and Communism have resulted in mass suffering, mayhem and death literally every time they have been implemented in human history - without exception.[/quote]

Fact: socialism is not communism, Not by a long shot. While communism is a bust, socialism, done the right way, is what the countries of Western Europe and especially Scandinavia, with the highest standard of living, have implemented.

[quote]And I dare you to comment rationally on this post without using an ad hominem attack or profanity.[/quote]

[quote]For those of you radical lefty trolls[/quote]

Ad hominem attacks?
Socialism and communism are not the same thing. Democracy works best with touches of socialism here and there. And if you don't think so I'll happily relieve your mind by taking your social security benefits off your hands.
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Paliglass · 41-45, F
@robingoodfellow this is what I meant... We need social security and health care and to look after the vulnerable because otherwise crime rates would be greater and begging would be more prevelant.

Also Imo wages are too low, the many do sweat for the few. So if wages don't improve because of greed and share dividends etc then the governments (all governments) need to step in and tax the wealthy and give the money to the working people.

However this is war so as an individual country, I'm in the UK, the UK would do well to be a tax haven and with economies of scale use foreign money to better the lives of the people in the UK.
acpguy · C
@robingoodfellow You have a twisted mind. In all socialist / communist countries people have little to no freedoms we still possess here in the USA. We have lost many of our freedoms due to liberals that are socialists in disguise.
So let's look at what socialsm is. Let me know if you agree with this......Socialism is when ALL put money and resources into a common basket for others to benefit from....whether they put into that basket or not. Agreed?
@acpguy I know by just what little you have said so far you're challenged so I'll type slowly so you can get it all.

"Ideally yes, factually and in practice NO" is stupid. No matter the language the defination of a word is the same. So what socialism is defined as here..or light bulb..or cancer.....what it means here is what it means in China, Cuba and Russia. And what it does here in practice here---is the same thing as it does everyplace else. The countries you mentioned does not have socialism as part of their government...in ANY way. I've been to all three places.....have you? So now that we have established you talk thru your ass and have zero comprehension of what you speak...let's move on.

I am American..despite your best guesses to imagine whatever you like. And up until the Lyin' King I voted Republican. The Con man cured that......at least for this election. Once his toilet is flushed and 4 years go by....I "may" vote Republican again. Most R's i know have been permanently cured to never do it again. What trump didn't do to convince us he and the Republicans who back all he does are outright criminals---the rest of his crime family..Barr and the other criminals he keeps pardoning from prison did. So once again----ur full of shit.

You did not mention trump while condemning any other names Hannity told you to repeat because cult members do not and cannot concieve that trump has any faults. I'm guessing when he gets canned what happens in the 8th ---9th--and 10th Eastern District courts in New York State will change your mind. Or most likely not, huh? The dead in Ghana stepped over their own dead kids to drink the Kool Aide because even watching their own kids die didn't convince them to question their little god.

But hey.........I have 4 businesses....things to do and I know from experience that Mark Twain was right when he said, "Never argue with someone stupid. At some point they'll bring you down to their level...and then beat you with experience." Before we hit that point.........ta ta numbnuts.
acpguy · C
@anythingoes477 Maybe you are Soros?
acpguy · C
@anythingoes477 Since you do not state in your profile I have my doubts and your long winded diatribe makes it sound like you have your head up your ass as it is meaning less. If you actually own 4 businesses then you certainly should be thanking Mr. Tump and kissing his ass.
kimmy159 · F
Every kind of system that is used to control a mass of people is basically a bad idea then. It never works for everyone. There is no perfect system in that regard.
We vote for different idiots but they're all the same everywhere lol.
I don't bother voting anymore here in Belgium. They'll bend the results to whatever they want anyway. And here it gets even better, if you do vote, they can't even form a government based on those results.
acpguy · C
@kimmy159 You have no clue about us in the USA then. We so have some freedoms yet but they will go away if the liberals / socialists take power.
Mathis1 · M
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Mathis1 · M
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JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
I thought your post was labelled ‘I can handle the truth’?
JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M
So why have you deleted practically every comment?
Paliglass · 41-45, F
I don't know what ad hominem means. My veiw is the middle ground, between communism and capitalism because capitalism is just as bad.
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Carazaa · F
The best countries are all social democratic, scandinavia ( not communistic)
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Carazaa Scandinavia is not socialist. Ask them. They are capitalist with a strong welfare state. HUGE difference.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
Communism is a GREAT! idea. It just never works...
Paliglass · 41-45, F
@GerOttman the whole world would need to be communist for it to work.
I'm going to have to dither on this one. I don't believe in socialism, but it's a bit melodramatic to say it's caused a lot of suffering. As for communism and Trump: I'm not sure what's worse
Mathis1 · M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP You need to go back and re study world history.
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Mathis1 · M
@CountScrofula You really don't know what an ad hominem attack is do you?
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acpguy · C
@SW-User
18-21
I don't comment on troll posts usually.

But I will be commenting to let you know I'm blocking you.

As I really do not like or put up with liberal / socialist snowflakes that have no brains what so ever due to their liberal education and addiction to fake news.

 
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