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What contemporary references are there to Jesus outside of the Bible? [I Religion]

I know there are a couple of tentative paragraphs in Josephus. What else is there?
BlackNo1 · 26-30, M
I think it’s universally agreed that the Josephus text in Antiquities of the Jews is a forgery, perhaps by later Christians.

Apart from Josephus, extracurricular to the Bible there’s; Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, Thallus and Phlegon. The quality goes from questionable to outright straw grabbing, but search them up yourself if it interests you. They aren’t all contemporary either - even the Gospels weren’t written by contemporaries.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Sharon When did I say that. Our body is made from things we find on earth but our spirits are not from earth. Maybe you don't have a spirit. That would explain your mud puddle grandpappy. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sharon · F
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]When did I say that[/quote]
In your previous reply yet you're denying it already. Now that is hilarious. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Sharon You don't know the facts of what Christians believe. Too Funny!!!!!! We accept our bodies are of this earth and when we die they are recycled. However we are not bodies. We are spirits sojourning in bodies. When the body dies the spirit goes on living. Silly people like you are such shallow thinkers. Must get it from the sallow pond that was your great grandpappy.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
The Josephus thing has been debunked.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
I’ve given you a straight answer and you don’t like it. You know nothing. Is that straight enough?@NortiusMaximus
@Speedyman I asked - "What real evidence have I dismissed?" You can't give a straight answer because we both know you're a liar.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
walabby · 61-69, M
None that were written in the first century, with the possible exception of Josephus which was written in the late first century. Even the Gospels were written 40 to 60 years after the event...
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@Speedyman @NortiusMaximus Not the most productive of conversations folks.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
I’m afraid you can’t argue with someone who knows nothing @SW-User
SW-User
@Speedyman Well whatever it is a waste of time
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Of course the story of Jesus is the best attested in terms of historical documents of any ancient story. There are literally thousands of manuscripts pertaining to his life. You wouldn’t of course expect to see many outside sources but then there are no outside sources of Caesar’s Gaelic wars. , which have far less documentary evidence . That is the nature of ancient documents. The evidence for Jesus stands up far better than the evidence for Caesar in documentary terms
Speedyman · 70-79, M
You find your eyewitness accounts in the gospels. They are put together by eyewitnesses. Luke tells us at the beginning of his gospel the years interviewed eyewitnesses and got their accounts about Jesus. Other Gospel writers are eyewitnesses. St Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15 that the risen Jesus was seen by over 500 eyewitnesses most of whom were alive at the time of writing. With all the details that have been proved correct in the gospels we can be sure that the Gospel writers were careful historians@SW-User
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@Speedyman Many folk believe they have seen the Lock Ness Monster. They haven't. Same goes for the myth of Jesus.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Many people believe Jesus is a myth because they are totally ignorant about it. You are one of them@Entwistle
Next to nothing that can be verified.
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/popular-writings/existence-nature-of-god/does-god-exist?utm_campaign=youtube-targeting&utm_source=pd-google&utm_medium=search&utm_content=dge-responsive&utm_term=doesgodexist&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI59eMoLW96wIVoINaBR22IQcQEAMYAiAAEgJwmPD_BwE
Speedyman · 70-79, M
@Speedyman LOL!! In your dreams. You've never won a debate in your life because you always have to resort to silly insults and outright abuse.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
I always thought the burning Bush was a serious case of clap..
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@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout 😬 it would be I suppose
Speedyman · 70-79, M
To the uninformed @SW-User
Lila15 · 22-25, F
Josephus is hardly contemporary. He wrote over a century later.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
We are talking in the context of ancient documents which are thousands of years old . There is absolutely no evidence to Josephus converted to Christianity So his evidence is actually more telling as it is a source outside of Christian circles. The missing statement may have been deleted by Arab sources because it was inconvenient for them. Of course Josephus was repeating what others told him. The fact is that the gospels are the Textually best attested ancient document. Far better than any other ancient document everyone just accepts as history. The only reason people do not accept them is because they do not want to believe@Lila15
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@Speedyman Since Josephus never converted to Christianity, he would not have said Jesus was the Messiah because Jews do not believe he was. It would be like a Muslim saying Jesus was the son of God, or a Christian saying that Mohammed is the seal of the prophets. That implies the passage was an addition, not that it's missing from other sources. It's also possible that the original text was something like "Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah," which would be a true statement. Josephus wasn't talking about his own faith; he was commenting on the faith of others.

The discussion is about contemporary records of Jesus [b]besides[/b] the Gospels. Whether people "accept" them is a different story.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
The sort of stuff that scholars have come up with about Josephus is of course highly subjective. It actually proves nothing at all. Some say that the references are authentic and some say not because they are too authentic! We have to realise that these men are just giving their opinion and it’s totally not factual. The fact is there are references to Jesus in Josephus’ script. But even without that Jesus is the best documented man in ancient history@Lila15
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Mexican Jails
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Interesting. No idea. I only have my own personal life references 🤔🤔🤔🤔 tell us
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@SW-User I am asking 🤷‍♂️

 
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