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I Admire Common Sense

I get deeply frustrated by wannabe statisticians who in the current pandemic would have us believe you are unlikely to contract the Covid-19 virus. Some would try to pedal statistics to have us believe there is an infection rate of under 10%. I wish it were true. To be fair, in less populated and self-controlling areas, this statistic might be true. But in densely populated areas, such as vibrant cities, to suggest the rate of infection is 6-9% is unhelpful to say the least. It is not alarmist to share with you, in case you didn’t already know (which most common sense minded people already do) that if you come into close contact with anyone carrying the virus, the risk of transfer is high. Even if they are asymptomatic.

I invite any such relaying “statistician” to contact the relatives of the late occupants and staff of Holyoke Soldiers Medical Center in Massachusetts and pedal their inane statistics. Unfortunately, the worn adage “There are lies, damn lies, and there are statistics” needs to be dusted off and shoved under some noses. But, they won’t listen, will they? No. Unfortunately not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/holyoke-soldiers-home-massachusetts-veterans-coronavirus-deaths/2020/04/10/8912d062-7b3d-11ea-9bee-c5bf9d2e3288_story.html

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No doubt! Common sense tells us that you cannot open all the beaches or even one beach and expect that's not going to spread the virus! 😳🙄

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@TexChik Says who? And I don't mean that in a smart way. 😄 This is yet to be seen. They just opened the beaches. And who knows how many [i]already[/i] carried the virus when they went to the beach? What a terribly, irresponsible act, imho. That way, it can't [i]help[/i] but spread, and the problem is...this thing has an incubation period between 2 and 14 DAYS, before others even find out about it. That's a pretty long time and "head-start". That's scary. And by the time others find out about it, who knows how many more contracted it, off the infected ones?

TexChik · F

@LadyGrace data coming out of states that have opened their beaches ... that’s who

@TexChik I don't see how that's possible at all. That makes no sense, and it's way to early for that conclusion. Time will tell. I hope you're right.

TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M

I think that in this current period-no I know because I got this from a medic-that a large number of deaths are being recorded as Covid when they weren’t.
It seems no one is dying from flu or any other virus any more.
WHO stated last week that this virus is not going away and there is no guarantee of a cure or vaccine.They stated we have to learn to live with this without lockdown.
Everyone seems to want to ignore that statement.
Unless people want to spend the rest of their lives in lockdown-and i don’t because I can’t envisage spending the next however many years I have left stuck at home with no social contact-then we have to start ending restrictions and take our chances.As we do with all sorts of viruses and bacteria that could kill us.
I have said all along that there will be rebellion.If our government announce another three weeks of lockdown then I think it will start.
Other countries are gradually ending restrictions.Rugby League is restarting in Australia.We have to start following suit.

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TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M

@Valentine well-my life revolves around sport and concert going.Without them I am lost.Even when sport returns I doubt spectators will be allowed.I am just existing devoid of all social contact.I am happy to take my chances regardless of the risk to health.I just don’t get this we must live like this forever attitude.We can’t.i can’t.

Valentine · M

@TheSirfurryanimalWales Man hugs, my friend. For you, no beer, no rugby. For me, no beer, no guitar. Life is a sh*. We must adapt.

TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M

@Valentine adapt to a life of misery?No thanks.There is simply no way the public
will accept this forever.I have predicted rebellion and the fall of governments.It will happen as people come to realize we cannot live like this.On Friday we would have been celebrating VE Day.Instead we will be reflecting on the fact that the freedoms people fought for have been taken away from us.There may be only one
way to get them back.And I will be happy the lead the revolution.

4meAndyou · F

Unfortunately, since I don't subscribe to the Washington Post, I am unable to read the article, but since I live in Massachusetts, and since I have a veteran friend who almost entered a veterans care home at one time in his illness, this is of personal interest.

I have heard some things about this issue. Almost half of the covid19 deaths in the state of Massachusetts have occured in long term car facilities, because they are not properly regulated, and many of them are filthy pest holes.

The veterans home is even a worse case, because there are rumors that over 2003 veteran medical workers who tested positive for covid19 were forced to return to work by the Veterans Administration.

We all know, now, that medical workers from Wuhan were tracking the virus into and out of the medical facilities on the bottoms of their shoes. And we also know that shoe coverings are not part of standard PPE for medical workers, anywhere.

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4meAndyou · F

@Valentine The Holyoke center was completely unprepared for covid19, according to what I read in another article written on February 27th. So many of their staff became ill that the residents were almost stacked on top of one another, thus ensuring the rampant infection rate that followed.

Valentine · M

@4meAndyou Yes, unfortunately this is probably the case. My point (passionately held!) is that if people were aware of the potential risk, they would take appropriate measures at all levels. My reason for profiling the Holyoke center was to show that there are many pockets where grief could be avoided if people didn’t blindly follow commercial pressures.

4meAndyou · F

@Valentine That is likely true. Ignorance of this virus and the many ways it can spread has been one of our worst enemies in combating it.

Carissimi · 70-79, F

I agree. We don’t see bodies piling up in trucks outside hospitals and funeral homes, in normal flu season. We don’t see this many doctors and nurses succumbing to the flu - and dying - from their patients. Those with the flu are in bed within a few days and out of circulation. This virus can be asymptomatic for up to 14-days while infecting others.

Elessar · 26-30, M

There is a study published from the University of Padua, that surveyed the population of the first village/town to see the first confirmed infection, both at the beginning of the outbreak (and their local "red-zone") and 15 days later, which has been extensively used over here to plan the lockdown policies at least regionally, and estimate both the infection rate, modes and distribution of severe cases. The sample isn't the biggest (around 3000, i.e. the inhabitants of the Vo' municipality), but here you go:

[u]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20053157v1.full.pdf[/u]

(They were among the first to establish asymptomatic carriers can be spreaders when the WHO still insisted on testing only symptomatic cases)

4meAndyou · F

@Elessar I'm not certain I understand the data...but we have used data from around the world to try to learn about the virus, including the fact that every asymptomatic carrier will infect at least 2.5 others.

TexChik · F

@LadyGrace it’s not too early . There has been a lot of over reporting with regards to covid . I read where the CDC has greatly amended their totals . ICU’s sit empty , The recovery rate 98% . The “ time will tell “ narrative at this point is ridiculous . Certainly you are free to stay shut inside for as long as you want but you nor the government have the right to hold people hostage when it’s obvious the virus is disappearing .

saragoodtimes · F

@TexChik the young and healthy seem to be able to fight it off with little effect. the frail and elderly are being decimated by this virus. the fear is people going out and being exposed then bringing it to their elderly relatives

TexChik · F

@saragoodtimes yes , the elderly should be quarantined . But .., bankrupt the country and all the seniors and anyone else requiring meds will die . Things have to change

saragoodtimes · F

@TexChik like everything there has to be a balance. we can't keep the country shut down forever that is certain. look at NYC the rates are coming down but the city is empty. no traffic on any streets and Times Square is a ghost town. how do you open things up and prevent cases from skyrocketing again. it's got to be solved

nowic2 · 61-69, M

There are definitely some here happy to massage the figures to get the outcome they are looking for & then hoping to convince us.

sciguy18 · M

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.” - Mark Twain

TexChik · F

Ahh so if it’s not just like they say in CNN , you don’t like it?

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4meAndyou · F

@Valentine In this instance, we need business owners of every sort to receive direct guidance by state and federal government in how to clean, how to stay safe for themselves and their staff, and how to prevent their customers from contracting the virus...up to and until the time a vaccine becomes available...or herd immunity develops.

Valentine · M

@4meAndyou ... I think we also have 'people power' 😉

4meAndyou · F

@Valentine Not quite sure what that is...but we have seen some really idiotic people here in the USA who are NOT social distancing OR wearing masks on the streets protesting the lockdowns in great crowds...Stupid as hell.

One stupidity does not cancel out another...we just need everyone to really begin to THINK and to stop denying to themselves that the virus does exist, and to follow CDC guidelines for return to work in the USA.

Our own extremely "special" idiots in the House of Representatives are now creating a great fuss because they are trying to take Trump down over his handling of the pandemic in this country, and they have called the head of the CDC, Dr. Fauci, in to testify. They appear, once again, to be so massively clueless that they do NOT understand that you CAN'T pull the head of the health agency handling the pandemic in your own country OFF his job while retarded folk like Pelosi and Schiff try to cobble together another hoax trial.

They are saying that Republicans are politicizing the virus because Fauci is going in to the SENATE hearing...but refusing to attend both.

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