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The real inhabitants of Hell are those who reject God [I Am Enjoying Being A Muslim]

... they will remain in it forever, and shall never live in it or die.

However, there shall be another group of people who believed in God, the fire of Hell will touch them because of their sins, and they shall die a type of death until they become burnt up, then they will be interceded for, so they will come in groups and they will be thrown into The River Of Life, they will be refreshed, then it will be said, 'O people of Paradise, go ahead and enter it', so they will enter it.

Hell will never touch those who [u]repent[/u] from their sins.
Oh wow. I can't even believe you. Yep. That's really a way to tell people about Jesus. Tell them they're [u]condemned[/u]. I've got news for you. Jesus never came to condemn, NOR does GOD condemn them. Our SINS condemn us - not GOD. Know your bible. It says that Jesus came not into the world to [u]condemn[/u] the world, but to [b]save[/b] it! There's not one person on this Earth that has to go to hell, if they will realize that because we were born with sin in us, that keeps us separated from God and the way God the Father remedied that, was to send Jesus to tell people how to be saved and that through his forgiveness, anyone in this world can be saved and have eternal life in heaven. What you're doing is turning everyone [u]away[/u] from Christ, instead of drawing them [u]to[/u] Him. These type posts make me sick to my stomach. Even when Jesus confronted the lady in adultery, he never yelled at her and he never condemned her. He told her to simply don't commit adultery again. Go and sin no more, he said. And Jesus commanded us to teach in [b]LOVE[/b]. When Jesus preached on the hillside to thousands, he spoke with all the love in his heart. he didn't say "You all are going to hell, if you do this or that!" Get a grip. Oh. I just now see you deleted all the bad stuff in your post.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@LadyGrace Why are you trying to force your belief on me? I'm Muslim, not Christian. I believe in the Quran, not the Bible.
@Madeleine I could say the same about your post. We are only discussing, remember? But you're not answering my questions. What I'm trying to figure out, is why you ignore Jesus as Savior, and WHY you believe as you do. So when I asked you about what will you do with that verse I just sent you, what do you say? You just can't ignore it. Do we go by what man says, or God? Which is right in your opinion, and why?? If or when you post something, you just can't write things and not give your reasons why, in the case of this subject.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@LadyGrace Thank you for clarifying dear. I'm happy to respectfully discuss our faiths.

First of all, let's pay a little attention to what we agree on:
- We're both believers in God.
- We believe in the Hereafter.
- We know that this life is merely a test and the real life is in Paradise.
- We both love God and we want to meet Him.
- We both want and eagerly desire to please God.
- We both believe that God sent down revelations to guide us to the Truth.
- We both believe in prophets and messengers sent by God.
- We both love Jesus and we recognize him as the Messiah.
- We both believe that he was born miraculously, and his mother Mary was a virgin.
- We both believe in the existence of Angels.
- We both believe that a creature called Satan exists as well and he is our enemy, and his goal is to lead us to the path of hell.
- We both want to be saved.
.. the list doesn't stop here, it goes on and on.

Now to answer your questions:

[b]Why you ignore Jesus as Savior, and WHY you believe as you do?[/b]
I don't believe that Jesus died for my sins because this is the teaching of the Quran.

[b]What will you do with that verse I just sent you, what do you say? You just can't ignore it.[/b]
Even though I believe that the Bible contains within it revelations from God, I don't believe in verses that contradict the teachings of the Quran.

[b]Do we go by what man says, or God? Which is right in your opinion, and why??[/b]
Of course we go with what God says, not man. That's why I'm Muslim, because the Quran is the direct word of God, and we have it in its original language. It never went through any changes throughout the centuries. On the other hand, the Bible was written by men, and it went through a lot of changes throughout the centuries. So can we distinguish between what was inspired by God and what was written by man? It's not even in it's original language and a lot of its scripts were lost.

May God guide us both to the Truth.
@DestroyerOfIdeologies I wouldn't know about those others you speak of, that's their business, and I don't care to assume what they know or don't know, or criticize them.

As I mentioned, no one has to miss heaven. Whatever choice we make, is the one God will honor. Some have the distorted idea that whether we go to hell or heaven, depends on if we "follow God's rules" or that He's somehow anxious to throw us in hell the first minute we sin. Nothing could be further than the truth, but if they insist on staying uninformed on what God says about that in His Word, that speaks volumes that they're not really interested in finding God or having their sins forgiven, anyway. They just enjoy arguing about it. There's not one excuse why anyone has to miss heaven. I hope with everything in me, you'll not miss heaven. I hope no one does.

I never said being a Christian made anyone smarter or wiser. I've always mentioned in my posts that I'm no smarter or wiser than anyone else. Nor above anyone else.

You were talking about Christians keeping their head in their bible and are not aware of current events, but that works both ways. There's things that go beyond, and are even more important than current events, when it comes to the afterlife, that many would be wise to learn about, because eternity is a lot longer than this world, so I wouldn't be quick to talk about believers being uninformed. One thing you'd know, if you were to read the bible, is just the opposite of what you assumed the bible says about the consumption of alcohol or wine:

The Bible acknowledges the medicinal value of wine.​— 1 Timothy 5:​23. They drank wine back in Jesus's day, as well, even Jesus and His disciples, as the water was so bad back then. It is not a sin to drink alcohol in [u]moderation[/u]. An enjoyable gift is good only when used [b]properly[/b]. For example, honey “is good,” but “the eating of too much honey is not good.” (Proverbs 24:13; 25:27) While drinking “a little wine” may be agreeable, but the abuse of alcohol is a serious.. ( Psalm 104 :14, 15; Ecclesiastes 3:​13; 9:7) Like when that girl killed my husband, when she got drunk. So being informed before we decide to judge, is real important.
rottenrobi · 56-60, F
I thought God was loving and compassionate. I thought forgiving was a godly trait.
There's nothing christian about what you wrote.
@ExperienceDLT God never once said in his word that we have to be perfect. Just forgiven so that our sins do not separate us from God the father in heaven. Since Adam and Eve CHOSE to sin, that separated them from their heavenly Father and by nature then, all who came from Adam and Eve's bloodline, were born with sin as well. In the very beginning, there was no sin at all and heaven was theirs. Like any good father would, God told them don't eat from the fruit of this tree or you will die. He warned them, but just like our kids do, they disobeyed and then they had to pay the price. God did not abandon them.

Just as when we were kids and we got punished, our parents didn't abandon us, but then you had the problem of losing fellowship with a father or mother, until you said "hey... I'm sorry, forgive me", and then that restored your fellowship with them again, and that's the same way with God. Like with our kids, we didn't enjoy having to discipline them but then if we didn't they never would have learned right from wrong. So if we never tell God we're sorry for our sins (and we can't deny that we have them because look at all the evil in the world) then our sins will KEEP us separated from God.
@LadyGrace he already knows we have them that's why he chooses to damn us unworthy ones to hell
@ExperienceDLT If you read John 3:16 you will see that there are no favorites. We have all sinned and separated ourselves from God. Is it a big deal to ask for forgiveness? Jesus just didn't just [b]say[/b] he loves us. He proved it when he did the hard part FOR US, by dying to pay for our sins on the cross, just so we could be forgiven and live with him for eternity in heaven. Or would you rather the alternative? He didn't have to do that, but he volunteered to do it. I'm very grateful that he did. Otherwise we would all have ended up in hell.
kodiac · 22-25, M
Talk to this little boy about
your god
kodiac · 22-25, M
@LadyGrace The vatican knows. the church has too much power tbh I'm afraid if i go further I'll be silenced i think people believe oh well it's a priest how bad could it be probably just some touching ,there are kids that just disappear these people will stop at nothing to protect the church. Only god can stop them and obviously that's not happening.
@kodiac Maybe not now, but it will.
@kodiac No one can take God from you. He took innocence away from you and at that age, you couldn't know how to process that, so you reasoned it out the only way your young mind could, at the age and time. Nothing goes unnoticed by God. Like I said... he'll pay for eternity.
@Madeleine - Not at all. We never have to earn God's mercy or love. That is the meaning of [u]grace[/u].

[c=#BF0000][b]If GRACE depends on our cooperation or performance, by our own works alone, it is no longer grace.[/b][/c]

We are saved only by grace, which is [b]unearned favor from God.[/b] It says so in God's Word. God is not a liar.

Madeleine · 41-45, F
@LadyGrace If it's "not earned", how come it requires belief?
@Madeleine Because belief is our part in accepting the saving [u]work[/u] of Jesus on the cross. Jesus does the saving, not us. Jesus was appointed by God, His Father in heaven, to BE our Mediator between God and man. He only asks that we acknowledge...believe that He came into this world to tell us how we can have eternal life, that He died on the cross to pay for our sins (without the shedding of blood, there is no payment for sin, God said), that when we pray to Jesus to forgive us of our sins, Jesus then goes to His Father on our behalf (why? Because the Father is so Holy, He cannot look upon sin. If we were to bring our sins in with us, it would not BE heaven anymore. Heaven is pure and Holy) so Jesus goes to His Father and tells Him that you (for example only) have come to Him (Jesus) in prayer and have asked that your sins be forgiven. His Father accepts your request for forgiveness BECAUSE of the blood of Jesus that washes away all your sins. God the Father honors Jesus's death on your behalf, only because He accepts the PURE AND HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE BLOOD OF [b]JESUS[/b] AS PAYMENT FOR YOUR SINS. There's nothing you did to earn God's free gift of salvation. Gifts are free, for the asking. Then God the Father accepts that you have repented of those sins, on behalf of Jesus's works, and declares you "Not Guilty!" and now your sins have been washed away and you are fit for the Kingdom of God, thanks to Jesus's blood sacrifice, and you are now a new member of God's family and heir of heaven. And all the Angel's in heaven rejoice over your decision, and that another sinner has been saved from eternal seperation from God, in hell. That's was the whole purpose of Jesus dying on the cross. God Himself approved of Jesus to be the Savior of the world. However, Jesus loves us so much, His Father did not have to force Him to pay for our sins. Jesus [u]volunteered[/u]. You have now been accepted because of Jesus's free gift and He does not ever go back on His word. You did nothing to earn your salvation, so it is Jesus and His promise to save you, that also KEEPS you in the safety of His everlasting arms and His everlasting promise of eternal life in heaven.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@LadyGrace Thank you for explaining your belief. Now let me explain mine.

I believe that we're born pure. Free from sin. Yes, I believe that Adam sinned, but he repented and God forgave him. Then God sent Adam and Eve to the earth to build a life here and to test us, with testing we're purified.

We were born pure, but we're naturally sinners, this is how God created us. The reason we are here on earth is to work on our souls. How? We sin, then sincerely repent, then God forgives us and wipe out our sin (as if we never sinned at all). We do our best to never commit the same sin again. Even if we failed, then repented, God will forgive us again and again and again. And this is how we're purified and improved as human beings.

We are not responsible for what Adam did, that's why there's no need for sacrifice. Now, even though we "work" to purify our souls, we don't "earn" salvation by work, but by God's mercy. God sent guidance as a mercy from Him to help us get by our life on earth. By obeying God, and believing in Him, we earn his mercy to enter Paradise.

Feel free to ask me about my belief, I will be happy to answer your questions.
pentacorn · F
to which god are you referring?
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@pentacorn Our Creator.
pentacorn · F
@Madeleine ah, evolution god.
tenente · 100+, M
@pentacorn no no @Madeleine is talking about Tom Cruise
We are all inhabiting hell as we speak living on this earth in these times is hell
@Madeleine keep telling yourself that
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@ExperienceDLT Only the grateful will see the blessings.
@ExperienceDLT This earth may seem like hell, but it's no where near the real thing and I pray no one goes there, because they do have the choice as to where they want to spend eternity. God's not stopping them. It's sin that condemns them and keeps them separated from God. As soon as sin is confessed and forgiven, they are fit to enter heaven. But if they wish to hate Jesus, He still loves them, but if they want nothing to do with Jesus's free gift of salvation, He'll honor their decision. Jesus did the hard part....taking our sin debt upon Himself and paying for our sins with His life. All He asks of us, for our own good, is to accept His rescue plan of salvation, so we can live with Him in heaven, eternally, instead of hell. That's sure not too much to ask of us. He didn't have to do that for us, but he did. He proved his love for us.
DestroyerOfIdeologies · 22-25, M
May I burn in hell FOREVER!
DestroyerOfIdeologies · 22-25, M
@LadyGrace Amen!!!!!!!!!!!

“Dante, I think, committed a crude blunder when, with a terror-inspiring ingenuity, he placed above the gateway of his hell the inscription, 'I too was created by eternal love'--at any rate, there would be more justification for placing above the gateway to the Christian Paradise...the inscription 'I too was created by eternal hate'...” --- Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morals / Ecce Homo
@DestroyerOfIdeologies Yah, that goes to show you what they know. They'll never be smarter nor wiser than God.
DestroyerOfIdeologies · 22-25, M
@LadyGrace Yeah if they only buried their heads in the bible then they would be like the Christians I meet that know all the things going on in their book club but know nothing of the outside world. And becoming a Christian wont make them smarter or wiser than God either, it'll only make them quoters. Anyway cheers to you LadyGrace. I'd give you some wine but that'd be too self-indulgent for your taste. I'll be sure to bring marsh mallows to roast while I burn in hell.
Chelsiegirl · 46-50, T
This is why im a athiest. Fuck this shit..
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