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For the first republican senator (Mr. Chabot)... that in my opinion made a good case.
And then for some reason goes into the Chewbacca defense. But if it's good, you have to say it.

Mr Chabot (Ohio):

[b]This is a sad day in our countries history as house democrats to approve on a strictly partyline vote articles of impeachment. Based on what constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley called: “Wafer-thin evidence.”. This will become a dangerous precedent where impeachment rather becomes the norm, rather then the exception. That’s not what our founding fathers intended. They wanted impeachment to be rare, they set a high bar for impeachment: reason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors.[/b] Alleged abuse of power, the first article is not a high crime and misdemeanor, in fact, it’s nog even a crime. And since there is no concise legal definition for the abuse of power, the majority power in the house can designate nearly any disagreement with the president, from now on with impeachable offense. The second article alleged obstruction congress would assert a similar dangerous precedent. Asserting executive privilege, a practice that begin with George Washington is not obstruction of congress rather is essential to the checks and balanced contemplated under the constitution. Here is what every grade school student in America knows, but apparently house democrats do not. If congress disagrees with the president, if they don’t agree with the president take it to court. Let the 3th branch of government decide they are the refs. The house has never, and I repeat never, approved either abuse of power or obstruction of congress as an article of impeachment.[i] But that’s going to change today, today house democrats are pursuing a wacky constitutional theory. One for which all four presidents on mount Rushmore could have been impeached. If all of this sounds absurd Madame speaker, that’s because it is absurd. In fact this whole process is absurd and has been from the outset.[/i] But here is what is not absurd but rather frightening. House democrats today are setting a dangerous precedent, under which no future president will be immune from impeachment. And that will forever negatively tarnish the history of this house.

Mr Chumer (NY):
Madame speaker, the presidents crimes constitute the highest of high crimes against our country. And offence doesn’t have to violate a criminal statue to be impeachable. That was confirmed in president Nixons’ case and again in president Clintons’ . There is no higher crime then for the president to use the powers of his office to corrupt our elections.



[b]The Bold:[/b] This is a pretty good attack in my opinion. Because I didn't know what he was talking about when he said Jonathan Turley (I'm not an American). But then I looked it up and he had this to say:

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pj1k3CTpss]

👆️ What an incredible nice testimony, from someone with some good credentials.


[i]The Cursive:[/i]

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Em8BkZYnI]


If he stopped after the bold part... he would have had the best rebuttal so far in my opinion. Respect. ✊
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
[quote]They wanted impeachment to be rare, they set a high bar for impeachment: reason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. Alleged abuse of power, the first article is not a high crime and misdemeanor, in fact, it’s not even a crime.[/quote]

This, tbh is actually just misdirection. “High crimes and misdemeanors” is an established British term of art, and it’s there precisely as guidance, leaning on (at that point) four hundred years of parliamentary practice. It is both open-ended in definition, and precise in spirit.

If you read through the sort of stuff founding fathers considered impeachable, and why they chose this particular wording, it’s pretty obvious that what Trump did is actually [i]eminently[/i] impeachable.

Of all the impeachments up until now, this is by far the one that’s closest in spirit with what the founders intended.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 Turley’s words from ‘98 are somewhat more applicable here :p

But he also said that Trump’s actions in this situation can be impeachable, though he placed unnecessary emphasis on the quid pro quo side of things.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul
His main points (how I listen to it is):

1. The evidence isn't sufficient - Democrats should not have rushed this
2. If you convict with not enough evidence, you set a dangerous precident
3. If you convict without enough evidence, you run the risk to loose 50% of the people in the process.

He never said these things aren't impeachable, but that by rushing it and not having enough evidence the case just isn't good enough. And he substaniate it pretty well.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 Note, that Chabot is ultimately arguing about what is impeachable and isn’t in there - at the core this isn’t a “you rushed this” defense, it’s an “abuse of power isn’t impeachable unless it’s a crime” defense.

Meanwhile the sorts of stuff the founding fathers said they wanted to see presidents impeached for is often explicitly legal - firing officials without cause, misusing the power of presidential pardon, etc.
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
I find it funny for those who support the Impeachment pretty much come up with different stories.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@FreestyleArt What do you mean?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@FreestyleArt Not unusual, there are multiple interpretation on all sides, and people have their own personal priorities. Tbh, the defense in this case is far more varied - largely because the democrats have a fairly slam dunk case and spray and pray is not a useful strategy for them here.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@FreestyleArt I'll guess we'll never know 🤣

 
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