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Trump’s ignorance demonstrates the importance of the people around the president.

I literally think that Bernie would be a mess, as would Harris. Both worse than Trump.

Not based on ideology, but mindset about what’s important

@Lila15

@JoeyFoxx Obviously, the president can't be an expert on everything.

But s/he has to be astute and well-informed enough to be able to tell if the person advising them knows what they're talking about. Trump is, possibly, the worst president in that regard, at least in modern times.

I want a president who is curious about the world. Think about it - the president could literally invite anyone he wants to the White House, just to sit around and shoot the breeze. One remarkable thing about Reagan's memoirs of his White House days was how frequently he just sat around at night doing nothing. Trump sits around watching Fox News and eating cheeseburgers or something. It doesn't occur to him that he could be talking with professors, writers, artists, you name it. I want a president who spends his free time doing that.

What do you think of Jay Inslee? By your standard, he would be very competent as he was an effective governor for years. And what about Bloomberg? Mayor of NYC is like being the governor of a medium-sized state.

Inslee is insufferable. He’s a classic panderer and glad hander.

I saw Buttigieg on Meet the Press today.

I like him a lot.

@Lila15

@MrBrownstone The "Michelle is a man" thing is getting really boring.

@Lila15 So is Trump bashing

@MrBrownstone At least Trump deserves it. You have to expect that some people will disagree with him on policy. But saying that Michelle is a man is just stupid playground taunting.

@MasterLee I’m not aware of any credible accounts of Obama engaging in gay sex. I agree that the claims about Lincoln and Joshua Speed are not that solid. Both men married women and had kids, so they both qualify as straight. Buchanan is assumed to be gay because he was single, which doesn’t mean anything.

A lot of straight men experiment with gay sex when they’re younger. Obama doing that doesn’t make him gay. Lincoln on the other hand was married at the time and a lot older. There are zero allegations that Obama had gay sex when he was married or cheated on Michelle at any time.

So you kind of have the double standard. Your admiration of Lincoln and hatred of Obama shouldn’t factor in.

@Lila15 it doesn't factor in.

@MasterLee The reality is that there is no solid evidence that any president was gay. Buttigieg is the first Democratic candidate and the second major party candidate to be openly gay. The first was Republican Fred Karger who ran in 2012.

@Lila15, After reading a bit about him, he warrants further research. The interview I just read was impressive.

@TexChik That’s my point. You wouldn’t vote for him even if he was straight.

Are there any Democratic candidates you would consider voting for? I’d guess no.

@Lila15 absolutely not ... I would never willingly aid in the destruction of my country

@TexChik OK, so you proved my point. Mayor Pete being gay is irrelevant.

What are you going to do if Trump loses?

@MasterLee Your identity politics will result in the next Civil War, Adolf.

wow. You are going for a record on name calling.

@MasterLee I've got a long way to go before I beat Mango Mussolini.

@TheChrister A lot of younger people have gay friends and don’t oppose LGBT the way older people do.

@Lila15 *nods* thats exaclty one of my points aswell.

@piggo88 Obviously some of those would vote for Trump or sit out the election, but others make get vote for a Democrat who inspires them. But the 2020 race will depend on whether the Democratic base comes out to vote, so a non-controversial candidate might not be a good idea.

@windinhishair are you talking about the only country that control the internet ☺ that affects the whole world.

@SolidHeart The U.S. doesn't control the Internet. However, the American dollar is still the preferred world currency, although more countries are switching to the Chinese yuan, and when that replacement is complete, the U.S. is not going to be a superpower anymore.

@LeopoldBloom maybe the US doesn't control the internet anymore but they were before holding all the domains of the websites.

@SatanBurger duZ u LuVZ GODz?

@soar2newhighs A recent survey had 70% of Americans saying they'd be fine with a gay president. My point is that the 30% who aren't, won't vote Democratic regardless.

@SW-User obama was the punishment

@SW-User of course it is

@canusernamebemyusername That's a low bar.

@SW-User Actually, I think many of them don't care as much as you think they do. I know some Evangelicals who voted for Bernie Sanders, for example. If Pete can reach these people with an appeal to their desire to help their fellow man, while overlooking the culture war stuff, he could do very well with this group.

Of course, the noisy ones get all the attention and give the entire group a bad name. But they're not representative of all of them.

@SW-User And what does that say about America? It's nothing to be proud of if a decent and capable man can't be elected because of something he does in private that has no effect on anything else.

@Lila15 If he is those things and he adopts the 'don't ask don't tell' mode, sure. But if he promotes and touts it, then no fecking way.

@SW-User He’s not keeping it a secret, but he’s not making a big deal about it either. It’s just part of who he is, like his hair color.

@Kingfish28 And what does that say about America?

@Kingfish28 I take it that you wouldn’t vote for him even if he wasn’t gay.

@MarmeeMarch That’s hilarious, you’re the one who doesn’t want a woman or a “homo” in the White House, and because I called [b]you[/b] (not “America”) out on [b]your[/b] bigotry, I’m the intolerant one.

My question was whether America is ready for a gay president, I think we are even if you personally aren’t. A lot of people weren’t ready for a black president either, that didn’t stop him from being elected twice.

@MarmeeMarch OK, got it. You're a homophobic racist, but not all Americans are, so while you would never vote for a black or female or gay president, one could be elected because most of the country isn't as homophobic or racist or misogynistic as you are.

Just curious - imagine that Trump doesn't run, and the Republicans nominate a conservative black lesbian Muslim. The Democratic candidate is Joe Biden, and VP is Beto O'Rourke, both straight white men. Who do you vote for?