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ScarletWitch · 26-30, F
You were my first friend on EP. You havent been online in many years. I just wanted to say rest in peace because i dont believe you are with us anymore. Thinking of you.
This is absolutely one interesting article... I so love the way you have created the four elements, comparing them with alchemy and science elements.. Thank you so much..

My background is very very similar to yours, except that I graduated from Cambridge technical college. I have worked all sorts of jobs, from being a shop keeper, secretary, international banker, and foreign investment consultant... I have never turned out a chance to travel and to get to know different people of different cultures.. I have traveled in different style, from sleeping in mud and in tent, to luxury hotels...

All the above, just to say that I, too, have really tried to observe, and absorb life and to get to know human behavior.

I, honestly, agree 99.9% with your discoveries and views. The 00.01% left is an additional thought, based on what you have said about human behavior and mind yourself.

Human is complicated... Very much complicated.. I, usually, avoid putting and structuring myself, or human's behavior in a frame of definition in general, just to leave myself free on my actions, and reactions...

I have seen quite a few relationships working a life time, which based on your article could never work... I have seen couples that have stayed together for years without any relationship between them (based on obligations and responsibilities) and yet when the bounds that kept them together no longer exist, they still choose to stay together because they don't know how to live in another way, or they feel insecure in another kind of life... They get used to each other with no communication, trust, respect, and/or affection... Yet, there is a relationship between them, maybe not of the kind that human hopes for.

Of course, one can argue about the meaning of successful relationship in here.

Again, thank you so much for the very very interesting post.

Excuse my bad English, if it does not make any sense.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
No, it does make sense. The relationships you describe (and I, too, have seen) are based on FEAR. Fear of change, fear of loss (in this case, more than you already have). They stay in the relationship because they are co-dependent. In their minds, they rationalize the relationship as a case of "better the devil you know". Thanks for bringing that point up-- I should revise to include this angle, because it does fit, as the antithesis of my elements. Thinking of it in the terms of "anti-matter" to the elements that "matter". ;)
Thank you so much... I appreciate you being open minded, and open hearted to my views..

Codependency, it is.... Not healthy, and yet, it can base a foundation for a life time relationship.
SW-User
WOW! I could go on and on about how insightful, wonderfully written, full of truth, and thought-provoking this is. In fact, rather than staining your post with my overflowing thoughts, I'd love to discuss this with you, if you're ever bored and in the mood for lengthy discussion about relational elements, lol. If not, that's ok too. Either way, thanks for an excellent post!
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
...you had me at "WOW!" :P

I will always listen. And yes, I look forward to it-- although be warned... if, during the course of our discussions, we stumble upon INSIGHT, I will be forced to incorporate it.

Because there is always room for improvement. Always.
SW-User
@GwydionFrost: That's music to my ears...
Insightful, honest, humble and incredibly thought inspiring. You've managed to cover your bases in every area. Bravo!! Great post and thanks for sharing.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
Well, due to some intense PM dialogues, I want to point out there will be one change-- "TRUST is based upon [i]PERCEIVED[/i] intent."
@GwydionFrost: Trust should always be perceived with that intent. In my humble opinion.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
It all helps to make a healthy relationship for sure. :)

I don't think it accounts for some of the weirder things...certain expectations that people have...And sometimes staying friends or staying together in a relationship relies a little on idk...both luck and risk (How far both are willing to go) to stay together. Somewhere along the way people decide on and off if they are in or out. Sometimes it breaks things up, sometimes it's just temporary. idk
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@Scribbles I tried to avoid expectations because... well, I'm firmly in the "Expectation is the Parent of Disappointment" school. Expectations aren't realistic, they are the anticipations of desired/undesired outcomes. When reality decides that our interpretation of it is inaccurate, we feel disappointment-- it's not the way it SHOULD be. So I definitely discourage that kind of set-up for failure.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@GwydionFrost Good for you. But there sure are alot of people out there with strange expectations 😃
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@Scribbles You literally just made me laugh loudly in a completely silent office. I wholeheartedly agree-- there are a LOT of people with strange expectations out there. And sadly, it extends [i]well beyond[/i] relationship expectations!
WalksWith · 51-55, F
I had this whole letter I was typing out then decided to keep it simple.

Would you mind if I printed this out? Credited to you user name of course, unless you pm me your personal name.

this is beautifully written and wonderfully observed!

I feel there is something that needs to be added but not sure what it is, going to ponder on this for awhile...

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@WalksWith Yes, you may print it out, with proper credit. This one piece has been nagging my brain ever since its creation. I've always been open to making it better. One aspect, I think I might edit the long-ish intro. I don't need to give folks a big overview of my own background to legitimize the truths contained in it.
WalksWith · 51-55, F
@GwydionFrost Your truth is your truth, nobody can take that away. I like the intro, it gives experience in your observations and allows the reader a more visual content.
Unsatisfiedstace · 51-55, F
@ I have always thought that alchemy was mysteriously interesting and I have also considered the 4 basic elements extremely symbolic - as with the 4 directions etc. I enjoyed the post very much as I hadn't quite made the connection to people that way....yet it seems so natural.
It made my mind happy. Appreciate you waking me from my sleep and taking my mind deeper.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
My gosh, you know all the RIGHT things to say to me...! Thank you for the nice warm and fuzzies you are giving me! The pleasure has been mine.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
Meant to ask you-- anything I missed, could clarify, or make better...?
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
Thank you--- quick question in return...? Anything I missed or can make better?
You can be sure I'll let you know after I've finished processing what you have presented.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@RandomUniverse: Excellent! I look forward to it!
RainbowSprinkles · 26-30, F
Thank you for posting this. I am so glad I have read it. I think you have made some valid points here. I will have to reread it and think about it more.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
Thank YOU-- you have given me what I consider the highest praise-- "I will think about it more."
WiseOne87 · 36-40, M
Wow.. a real eye opener. Thank you so much for this post. It is something to ponder over for days to come.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
Thank you for the compliment! Now, as you may have noticed from the replies, I also ask, at this point, is there anything you think I missed, or should clarify, or got totally wrong...? (aka... the "how can I improve this" questions!)
WiseOne87 · 36-40, M
@GwydionFrost: i cannot think of anything to add or improve on. I'll let you know if something comes up..
Fallflower · 46-50, F
I just found an oldie and a goodie ☺️

Love this, makes great sense and lots to ponder. Thank you for sharing so eloquently.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@Fallflower Thank you. Always looking for ways to improve it. Anything you see that needs clarifying or not quite working?
Itsprincess · 22-25, F
Wow really interesting !!
Itsprincess · 22-25, F
@GwydionFrost yeah I'm actually shook😂
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@Itsprincess Please tell me in a good way...! (Reference to Babylon's question from earlier this morning...?)
Itsprincess · 22-25, F
Yeah in a good way😄
Unsatisfiedstace · 51-55, F
Very interesting conclusions.
Thanks for sharing. I will think more about this.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
Thank you for what I consider the highest praise: "I will think more about this." ;)
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
Thanks for that.

It makes one think.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@UserNameSW Best compliment I could ever ask for, in my opinion. Anything you see that would need clarification or modification...?
UserNameSW · 46-50, M
@GwydionFrost at first read it looks great. Nothing jumped out as required modification.
I'll read it again after some thought and let you know.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@UserNameSW Thanks! The better I can make it, the more helpful it should be...!
SW-User
I can´t but agree...those 4 are the minimum basic things people should have in mind ...
cloudi · 36-40, F
One great post you put there. Thank you for sharing. I need this.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@cloudi Thank you! If you have any feedback on the ideas in it, I'm always open to improving this...!
Madelenie · 26-30, F
What if I had only good affection but failed on the first three elements frequency and destructed the relationship, would there be any ways to salvage it? Please guide me.
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@Madelenie When you have affection, but nothing else...? It's desire, simply put. Now, how do you "salvage" it...? You must build the OTHER elements to match it...!
Sarabee · 41-45
Give me your thoughts on the one who created you🤔
GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@Sarabee I'd be willing to indulge your request, but this... isn't the discussion or place for that topic.
Sarabee · 41-45
Very well then😏@GwydionFrost
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GwydionFrost · 56-60, M
@moonthesolitary: @RandomUniverse:

...should I pour drinks...? :P
I think we'll just head up to the room. It's getting late.
@GwydionFrost: Xd

 
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