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I Know That Not All Muslims Are Terrorists

It is absolutely true that not all Muslims are terrorists however it is also true that a disproportionate number of terrorists are Muslims. So what remains is how to weed out the terrorists from those who wish innocents no harm?
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
The story of Joseph is of his interpretation while jailed of the Pharaoh's dream where he saw seven healthy cows and seven near starving ones which he saw as seven abundant years followed by seven lean years and so he was placed in charge of the storehouses and decreed under the authority given him by the pharaoh that a large portion of the grains produced be put aside in the store houses and so everyone survived the seven lean years. This situation was not the famine and drought that led the migration down into Egypt of the seventy Jews from the land Canaan into the land of Goshen - Egypt - because they did something about it - store the grain from abundant years to survive the lean years and secondly because it did not force a migration. David - later King David - came after Solomon.

in my view - one that no doubt you will take issue with - one of the most significant missed opportunities in recent history was that in June 1967 when Jerusalem was being claimed by Israel that those mosques were not removed then - if I and others of like minds had been there then - rest assured that those mosques would have been wiped off the face of the earth then and there. Even the orthodox chassidim wished for those mosques to be levelled in 1967 - one voice coming from the Lubavitch rabbi Menachim Schneerson who yelled for a bomb to be levelled upon them then. He was a proponent of the Messiah will build it scenario that I do not ascribe towards. My opinion will no doubt differ remarkably from yours - the ownership of Jerusalem was, is and will forever be VERY settled business, it was settled long ago with a deed granted and since redeemed. However it is as yet unfinished business and what will finish this business is a little construction project in a particular spot in Jerusalem. I too have been to Jerusalem - more than one time, I have been to the wall and left my supplications to the all mighty within it's crevices, I have been up to the temple mount and I have stood by the rock - and I was and remain dismayed at the presence of those mosques upon land reserved for but one thing and one thing only which is G-d's home upon this earth in the erection of the third temple in its spot. There are those who mourn every year the destruction of the first two temples - I find it difficult to do so, because instead of mourning for what they don't have everyone should be building for what they want. For all your HIGHLY objectionable protestations about the lack of freedom of the west bank Arab population not being able to go at will to the mosques there - remember that while this property was in Jordanian hands from 1948 to June 1987 no Jew - under ANY circumstances what so ever was granted the freedom to visit let alone pray at the wailing wall. The Israeli Jews have been far more and far too accommodating to the Arab Muslims than the Arab Muslims ever were to the Jews. I would have parked BIG bull dozers on the temple mount all fuelled and ready to go and warned the Arabs that at the first sign of misbehaviour or terror that those bull dozers would be started to do their work and level those mosques and the result would be upon their hands and heads. It is a form of language that they seem to understand.

You know I don't remember "palestinians" demanding their own state while Jordan was in charge of the west bank - do you? That is because it never happened. Palestinians don't want peace with Israel they want peace without Israel. Now that is just too bad and one would figure they might have got the message by now.... My opinion of these West bank Arabs is simple - there is no such thing as a palestinian - there never was other than a referral to those who lived in the land of Palestine while others were in charge of it - they and their descendants are always will be citizens of Jordan who happen to now reside within Israel. They are free to remain if they behave themselves or leave and go elsewhere if they wish to or can not behave themselves. The ones who possess Israeli citizenship - are indeed full citizens with the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else including taxes and military service. As far as I am concerned Jordan and Egypt have made peace with Israel and what you see in terms of control over the land by Israel is the status quo. It has almost been fifty years since Israel captured Jerusalem and the West bank so everyone had best get used to it. What the world does not need is another failed Arab state. Like I said you don't need to agree - I don't much mind if you don't, it does not concern me in the least.

Yes there are those who believe and you must understand that I am not among them - that the temple will miraculously appear but even they admit when pressed that there is no prohibition against its construction. No they do not approve of a secular state - they believe in religious government but they and that can wait until the coming of the Messiah [i]when ever that event occurs[/i] - meanwhile there is [i][c=#BF0000]nothing[/c][/i] to prevent the temple from being built or used and when G-d gets round to sending his emissary among us then he can fix what ever is not quite right but until then it is[u] far[/u] better to get on with the construction and use of the Temple and there is no good or valid reason to wait one more second for it either. G-d helps those who help themselves. That there were a few Jews who actually survived the Holocaust, That some were able to avoid it, that Jews have returned to the Land of Israel and grown ten fold since 1948 and prospered, that they in short order recaptured and reclaimed Jerusalem, that they can for the first time in over two thousand years effectively defend themselves from those who wish them ill are all modern miracles. Modern Israel is built upon ONE mission statement - never again, only thing is they really mean it and everyone had best understand that is is not only a mission statement - it is a fact. Never again will Jews go like lambs to the slaughter and if anyone tries - they will pay a terrible and unfathomable price for it. You see there are some things are not negotiable.

This is not about who owns relics of history - it is about now and the future. You don't have to agree with me - likely you never will and I don't seek your agreement or try to convince you of anything, I don't much concern myself with such things but those mosques are a provocation and a blight upon land owned and deeded to those other than Muslims and they have no valid substantiated claim to this of any sort what so ever while this spot - they are squatters and it is more than time to make this provocation disappear - this very spot is well documented as who owns it and what should be placed upon it, G-d's home upon this earth. There has been more than one Pope who agrees with this statement and who placed their own supplications to the all mighty within the cracks in the wall and if there are those who disagree with it - that is their problem not mine. The plans are printed and ready, the money to construct the building is available and the property is under Jewish control so what exactly is everyone waiting for? Building the temple will and should offend no one so lets just get on with it.
Northwest · M
It's all in the perspective.

If you mean those terrorizing, in the name of a religion, then yes, a disproportionate number "claim" to be Muslim.

There is no magic solution to weeding out psychopaths. Walls and enhanced screenings, will not solve the problem.
Northwest · M
Here's a reference to Abraham's birthplace:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_Ka%C5%9Bdim

And a reference to his origins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham#Abram.27s_origins_and_calling

What you seem to be referring to, is the exodus, which is when the Jews forced their way out of Egypt, and back to what today is Israel. However, chronologically, this came AFTER they had migrated to Egypt, from Canaan. Read the OT, the book of Genesis, and the book of Exodus (you, the parting of the sea, etc.).

The links I provided, give you the chronology.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
Yes I was referring to the time immediately following Moses - who never set foot in the land of Israel dying just before he entered as the last of the generation who was responsible for the sin of the golden calf. The exodus from Egypt is the first time Israel actually became a nation in what is now the modern State of Israel. Jews were a small group of family almost non existent prior to the long period of slavery in Egypt and there they became numerous and the tribes were formed then. The reason for them moving to Egypt in the fist place was that there was a severe drought and famine elsewhere and only in Egypt was there fresh water to grow crops with. Jerusalem as a capital with the building of the temple and the time of Solomon only happened after this time, a bit less than 3500 years ago. According to the bible the place where Jacob laid his head and dreamed of the assent to heaven was the very same rock - that the Arab squatters eventually put the Dome of the Rock - which is on the site of the Temple in Jerusalem - and hence a major problem between those who want that mosque there and those who wish to see the Temple rebuilt which means that sooner or later that mosque is going to have to be removed and there is going to be hell to pay over this issue.
Northwest · M
@pdqsailor1: It was probably a good 400 years, before David Sacked Jerusalem, and established a unified Israel, around 1,000 BCE. The story of Moses, when examined through reality, and history, is a work of fiction, as told in Exodus.

BTW, the biblical accepted version of events, is that famine affected Egypt as well, but Joseph, son of Israel, through a complicated set of circumstances, had predicted it, and made sure that Egypt had the surplus wheat and food stored up.

The First temple, was constructed in 832 BCE, so about 2,850 years ago.

Those who wish to see the Temple rebuilt, also believe that the State Of Israel, as home to the Jews, should not be there, and that the Jews should not return, until after the Temple is rebuilt.

I've been to the Western Wall, and the Dome of the Rock, and I stood on top of the famous rock. The one that all those so-called Prophets, used as a launch pad to the Heavens. It's just a cave, and a small one at that.

Bottom line: this has nothing to do with who can claim ownership of Jerusalem, as its history is very complex, and it is today home to important relics, that belong to three different religions, and Israel has Jewish, Muslim and Christian citizens.

The West Bank Muslims, are not free to go to the Dome of the Rock, without special permits and under strict control. Jews are not allowed to enter the Dome of the Rock (to pray), or organize prayers in its yard. The only time the Dome was damaged, it was done by an Australian Christian extremist, who was trying to hasten the Second Coming, but attempting to start a war.
Northwest · M
So, finally, out comes your agenda.

I never once thought of God as a real estate agent. Anyone who has ever given history an objective look, understands what cycles mean. The first temple, the second temple, the Romans, Islam's early empire, the Crusades, the Ottomans, the European Colonialism, the thousand year Reich.

I think that religious zealots, no matter what religious denomination they belong to, have a clear opportunity to destroy the world, and they will take it. Currently, there are two groups who top the list: Radical Muslims, and born again Christians and Evangelicals, who insist on the hastening of Armageddon. As long as they persist in their quest, peace will be delayed, and people will suffer.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
No - out comes ONE of my agendas.... not all of them.

Thats funny actually G-d as a real estate agent. We don't really own anything - he does, all we are are short term renters.

I agree with you about the zealots part but where the problem comes in is when they are all in each others faces - a bit of separation is called for. The Muslims have Mecca - leave them to go there - Jews Have Jerusalem and leave the Christians to Bethlehem
Northwest · M
@pdqsailor1: Pre first Intifada, we used to go out to Betlehem on Friday nights, as Jerusalem would completely shut down. The Christian shop/restaurant keepers were ecstatic.

Betlehem was decimated by immigration to the US, so it's a majority Muslim city now.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
Yes those two groups need to take some heavy duty chill pills. The entire concept of the "second coming" is warped and twisted on an "end of days" and armageddon assumption. When I say twisted I really mean it. The entire source of the concept has been twisted and churned out of Judaism from whence it originated only for them there is no second coming as they hold that the messiah has yet to appear. Jews have a very clear understanding of what happens when the Messiah comes and there really is not a lot of arguments over the issue among them.

I was in Bethlehem once many years ago at Christmas - a very different vibe than how it is celebrated anywhere else and it was COLD out in December there. Yes strange how Muslims feel that they should be in control over other peoples holy sites - they have this un natural penchant for Jerusalem too. I think every religion should control the sites that are truly holy to them - Christians have Bethlehem, Muslims have Mecca and Jews have Jerusalem - full stop no arguments.
CynicGirl · 26-30, F
most muslims tolerate the terrorists... if they cared and made an effort they would wipe out any form of intolerance and hatred out of their temples...

but apparently they dont want to
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
There is a range in teachings between tolerance and intolerance, peace and hatred among mosques and Muslim schools right up to and including the extreme advocation of total intolerance and hatred of other religions.

Some Muslims have a position of religious superiority - and given their social and academic standing in the world one wonders where this belief originates from. They are among the poorest, least well educated and least productive groups on the earth today. They have been awarded exactly three non-peace Nobel Prizes despite being 20 percent of the worlds population. This is one damning statistic by itself as Non Peace Nobel prizes are a clear benchmark of contributions to the betterment of mankind across multiple fields of human endeavour. Medicine, Physics, Chemistry, Economics literature - You see Muslims have ONE book, they memorize it, they can recite it by heart - but they don't seem to get much smarter by reading it. They might consider picking up some other books and reading them too but no - they focus on that one book to the exclusion of all others. This is not a recipe for success in the world today.

 
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