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If I pick up a baby, can I claim "bodily autonomy" (that no one can use or continue to use my body without my consent) and simply drop the baby?
No, of course not- primarily because of the *principle of precondition*. Let's explain this principle, briefly.

If I used my body to pick up a baby (precondition), thus making someone else's body (the baby) dependent upon mine, I hold an obligation and responsibility to use my body to deliver the person safely elswhere.
Take a pilot, for example. If a pilot uses his body to take off an airplane holding civilian passengers (precondition), he holds a binding responsibility and obligation to continue using his body to safely land the plane and deliver the passengers. He cannot "abort" midflight, claiming bodily autonomy and jump ship.
This principle is also at work in the case of *pregnancy*- and thus destroys the futile argument of bodily autonomy in relation to abortion. If a woman uses her body to create a baby (another person's body), thus making the child dependent upon her body, she holds a binding responsibility to deliver the baby safely elswhere.
She cannot, at any time, chop up the baby for being in a position that they *did not put themself in*. By this principle, we cannot (intentionally or not) put people in undesirable positions and then kill them for being there. Such a claim is ultimately absurd and ethically fallacious.
Glossy · F
That's an interesting argument, but unfortunately, you are using login to justify your assumptions. Abortion is not based on logic, it's an understanding that the foetus isn't a child until a certain cut-off point, at which time an abortion is considered murder and becomes illegal.

Now, deciding how close that point is to the actual birth is a more interesting (but clinical) question.
SW-User
And what if a man used a woman's body to create a baby? What if a condom is used but ineffective? Then the woman did not decide to take on any responsibility.

Your point is only valid if abortion were used as birth control, equal to a condom or the pill. But the reason to even consider it is never that simple. Unless you'll be there to raise the child, you have no say in its birth.
Glossy · F
@SW-User It doesn't matter if the Man is there to raise the child or not, a man still has absolutely no say in what happens during the gestation period. And once the child is born, the law says he is financially responsible.
SW-User
@Glossy True, then it's a joint decision with the woman having a veto. But people who don't take care of the baby/child after its birth, having no say at all in the life of a family they don't even know.
Glossy · F
@SW-User No, it's not a joint decision. The law says that the decision rests with the female alone. If she doesn't want to consult the man then she doesn't have to do it. If he doesn't know she is pregnant, the law says she is under no obligation to tell him. She can have the abortion and he'll never know.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
Get a Uterus, get a say 🤷‍♀️

 
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