If someone never pays taxes but is a citizen are they any better than an illegal immigrant that works but hasn't paid taxes?

@Sicarium I mean income taxes. I live in new York I pay both federal and state income taxes, which is bullshit! So not saying open borders though that'll probably happen by 2035.

@jehova How much do you have taken out of your paychecks for federal taxes? What's your federal refund?

Most people never bother to compare those two numbers before bitching. As for your state, well, that's on you, the state government, and the Democrats that run that state government.

@Sicarium it's actually on the fed for taking it, I only get money back because i have an additional withholding for exactly that reason. the fed takes an 8th my pay check and the state a 20th. The fed wastes my money on war and bs, while the state does its best to provide me services for my taxes, other than the politicians; obviously

@jehova That doesn't answer either question. If you won't do the math, then your argument obviously doesn't mean anything, even to you. So I'll ignore it.

It's also a strawman. Federal income taxes are not the only taxes. You're just hyper-focused on that because you know other forms of taxation wouldn't support your rather ridiculous OP.

@Sicarium I know the fed takes almost 13% my income and I get about $50 back at tax time, whereas the state take about 5% and I get 13$ on average back from them. The $800 I have as an additional withholding each year I also get back. So what the fuck are you talking about? let's buy some tanks or build schools in Afghanistan, while the wealthy fly private jets and pay their way through ivy league schools. All with money they should have paid in taxes

@jehova Which is it? Do you get $50 back, $800 back, or $850 back from the federal government?

And yes, let's take away all those planes from rich people. And destroy all the jobs directly tied to those planes in the process. You clearly haven't thought of any of this through, you're just using nonsensical talking points.

@Sicarium I get 50$ back from the fed besides the $800 that is mine anyway. So the fed gives me 50. I do that so if i ever owe they can take it out of the 800 I let them hold onto.

@jehova Sigh...you don't even understand how you're own taxes work but you think you know enough to demand how taxes should work. Typical.

@Sicarium Nor did i say that u fucking asshole i'm working my shit 38k a year job right now paying the fed 4k a year and getting $50 back.the state gets $900 from that and gives me back 13$. So if they are escaping taxes they should be charged with tresason

@Sicarium Also there aren't that many jobs in manufacturing the U.S. there are IRS jobs though. So ur focus on ur ass not reality

@Sicarium I demand everyone should pay taxes not only the workers.

@jehova Being triggered isn't a valid argument. Whoever told you it was lied to you.

Get back to me when you can act like something besides a 12 year old. Also, reading a book or two would help you out. You should try it.

@Sicarium your argument is circular I'm wrong because the rich shouldn't pay taxes. Yet they shouldn't pay taxes because i'm wrong? The system is broken we need to fix it not argue about the nature of it being broken.

@Sicarium Do you pay income tax by the way?

@jehova Actually I never said either of those things. So you're either lying or a complete idiot who's reading someone else's comments.

@jehova Federal, yes. We don't have state income taxes here, we have property taxes instead. Which is another form of taxation you want to avoid including because it doesn't support your original hysteria.

@Sicarium I'm only saying everyone should pay taxes and that the system is broken. I could be wrong, but it seems you are suggesting if you can get out of taxes you should.

@jehova I don't own property but when i do nys has some of the highest property tax and school taxes in the country. So wtf.

@jehova Again, I never said anything like that. Not once.

To summarize, you have no idea how the current system works, you don't want to consider the entirety of taxation, you want to only focus on one form of taxation that supports your poorly thought out position, and you're projecting things onto me that I never said.

And you're supposedly 26 to 30 years old. Right.

my position hasn't changed if everyone paid taxes taxes would be less for everyone NYS has some of the highest taxes. you are correct though i am focused on federal income tax because they seem to misappropriate and waste the most tax payer money and your position isn't clear so i assume you are being confrontational.

@jehova Whatever helps you look at yourself in the mirror.

i don't use a mirror and you still seem like you are trying to irk me. so who is the 12 year old Also you projected thing on me i didn't say so i was only trying to return the favor

@jehova Nah, now you're editing comments to completely change the content and meaning well after-the-fact. You're dishonest, you don't know what you're talking about, you get triggered, and you puts words in my mouth. Any conversation with you is, frankly, a pointless exercise. I'm done with you. Have a good one.

@Sicarium I know you are the trigger and apparently loving it. I know I have several brain injuries and I need to edit what I write and say. and if you review your first couple comments you claimed there were jobs in making private jets for the wealthy, which would be lost when those jets would be taken from the wealthy; something I had never suggested. So yea practice as you've preached.