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What do you'all think about abortion? And is it legal where you at?

Honest.
Budwick · 70-79, M
Mom can kill her baby in Ohio until a heartbeat can be heard.

Abortion is murder.
I get it - some times, once in a great while the mothers life may be endangered. Even though she could have had her tubes tied to avoid that possibility - I'll give you that one.

And the rape thing as well I suppose.

Both of those circumstances are rare. But the are 2,300 hundred abortions per day on the average in the USA. Come on people - you pro-choice stand is nothing more than being too lazy to use protection and too heartless to care about all the kids being exterminated.

I don;t want to hear anything how the kid isn't human. Human mothers have never given birth to a giraffe or tiger - it's human. It was human at the moment of conception.
@Budwick

[b][c=#BF0080]ANNIHILATE WITH LOVE! [/c][/b]
Budwick · 70-79, M
@puck61 There ya go!
@celine211 [b]Progressives. [/b] They are not [b]real [/b]progressives, but the filthy vermin who are [b]calling themselves[/b] "progressive" and "liberal" these days. Just like the [b]democrats[/b] are [b]not real[/b] democrats. They are just sick[b] psychosocialist monsters [/b]created by an unjust and irresponsible society.
BlueVeins · 22-25
Yeah, it's legal, fortunately. There are too many people in the world [i]without[/i] the government forcing women to make more.
celine211 · 22-25, F
@BlueVeins The government is not exactly forcing them to make but to finish what they started, with that being said it bothers me that ppl and prob men make decisions for me on this matter
Pseudonym · 26-30, M
Originally a reply to another comment, but I think this deserves it's own place.

The premise of anti-abortionism is the 'sanctity of life'; i.e. the idea that life is precious and worthy of preservation. Further, it usually promotes the idea that all lives have equal value; i.e. no human's right to life is greater than that of another. But for those who argue that zygotes, embryos or foetus's are children and abortion is murder, think about the following...

Hypothetical (albeit ridiculous) thought experiment:

Your house is burning down and inside are your 5 year old child screaming your name, and in another room, your fertilised egg in a Petri dish which could be used to impregnate you.

You will only have time to save one of them from burning alive. But both 'are a life' and 'are your children', so how do you decide which to save? Impossible choice for those totally against abortion presumably.

'But that's not the same!', I hear you cry. That's true, but it serves to illustrate a point.

Maybe you remain steadfast in your beliefs and flip a coin to decide which of your 'children' lives. Or perhaps the value of your unborn child's life isn't equal to that of your 5 year old. But a life is just a life right?

Or perhaps modify the situation. Imagine instead that a 12 week old foetus is being kept alive in an incubator (future technology, let's say). Your 5 year old child is screaming for help, and you can still only save one of them. What do you do?

Save your 5 year old I'd guess.

What about 14 weeks? 20 weeks? 30 weeks? How old does that foetus need to be before you choose to save it instead?

Or maybe instead of a foetus, it's a surrogate mother to your child? Or your wife pregnant with your baby?

Do you save two lives or one?

The point is that clearly not all lives are equal when you're talking about unborn children. It instinctively isn't the same 'kind of life' as the life of fully developed baby. Else the decision to choose between the zygote and child would truly be impossible.

Thus, murder isn't just murder. There is a massive grey area when it comes to life and abortion. You cannot justifiably say that a life is just a life, when it demonstrably isn't.
PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M
It is an individuals choice in the matter as long as Roe vs Wade exists. Unless you have been in that position to make a choice you will never know how much pain a decision like that is for each person.
@PTCdresser57 Here is a good example of the old adage.

[b][c=#008099]"Even a broken clock is right twice a day! " [/c][/b] 😉✌
celine211 · 22-25, F
@PTCdresser57 That is true I don't like the idea what it actually is abortion but I find myself conflicted when I put myself in those women's shoes.

With that being said I don't like the idea that anyone... anyone, pedophiles, murderers, unstable/ abusive ppl can have kids but yeah thats how it is
PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M
I agree celine
SW-User
Her body, her right. It is legal here. I personally am not a fan though. But i support women's rights nonetheless.
celine211 · 22-25, F
@QuixoticSoul with that logic though a murder could be called an induced accident
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@celine211 I'm more alluding to the details of the actual procedure here, and how little [i]scrambling[/i] actually goes on.

Sometimes murder is indeed committed via an induced accident as a method, yes.
celine211 · 22-25, F
@QuixoticSoul But being called induced accident doesn't make it ethically nor legally right
Pseudonym · 26-30, M
It's legal here. And yes I think that it's right.

The emotional and mental price most women pay for going through the process of aborting their unborn child is enough of a problem, without adding the judgment from others. Most do not make such decisions lightly. Which is compounded by the arguments for the benefit to the future wellbeing of mother and child, who may end up having an unprepared parent and a disadvantaged upbringing.

Besides that, our planet is already overpopulated. We should be very careful about forcing pregnancies to become births; we do so at our own peril. We may protect the sanctity of life, but ruin its quality for all.
I have struggled with this for decades - and now I think that in these days of almost 100% effective birth control and the availability of the morning after pill - which prevents conception when taken immediately and correctly 95% of the time - abortion, and certainly more than one abortion - shows an appalling disregard for any life but one's own. Using abortion as birth control is the ultimate narcissism, in my opinion.

This, of course, does not apply in cases of rape or incest, mental disability or serious risk to the mother's life. Competent women who are participating in consensual sex know it can happen, they know it might have happened and doing nothing to prevent it and ignoring the option of taking a pill that may be free or may cost between $10 and $50 - and then opting for an abortion that costs $350 to $950 makes me question how competent they are.

If you are old enough to have consensual sex, you are old enough to recognize the possibility of pregnancy, to have a plan in place to prevent it, and to act on that plan in time. Anything else is thoughtless and careless. Nice girls DO have sex and we all know it.

Edit: If you are a woman in her child-bearing years - go to a drugstore or family planning center, get a morning after pill and have it on hand. Do that once every year or so (they are said to stay viable for a 'few years' if unopened).
I believe there are cases where first trimester abortion should be an option, but frivolous abortion is murder in my opinion. I am against abortion after the first 15 weeks pregnancy, but at the end of the day, it's not my karma. Early man would simply dash the infant on a large rock, if the tribe was having a hard time and was unable to sustain the life of the child. In ancient India, they had a particular massage that mid wives would give to a pregnant woman if the child was unwanted. It's not like abortion is anything new. Just because I am against it, doesn't mean much in the long run.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
What an irony that a society confronted with plastic bags filled with the remains of aborted babies should be more concerned about the problem of recycling the plastic. – Winifred Egan
Lousasfincter · 51-55, M
I think it’s about irresponsible behavior and is murder. In Illnois we can kill babies up to the moment of conception of the irresponsible twats want to.

How come progressives are against the death penalty and physician assisted suicide but for murdering innocent babies? Weird dynamic there...

Don’t kill Convicted murderers or terminally ill patients to prevent suffering....but cut up fetuses and infants because a woman didn’t have enough self respect to make a man wear a Fucking condom.

SMDH
ozgirl512 · 26-30, F
As a form of birth control, I think it sucks... But, it's often a far better alternative than the other option
JBird · F
I believe it's a woman's choice to give birth or not. Yes, it is legal in my country.
pentacorn · F
her choice. yes, it’s legal here.
celine211 · 22-25, F
@pentacorn Do you agree with your law?
pentacorn · F
@celine211 yes. i fully support Roe v Wade. i’m also in support of the availability of Plan B type methods, and alternative methods of early termination.
SW-User
I personally will never ever get an abortion. but I won't force anyone to take the same path as me.
SW-User
@celine211 yes. at least I've tried and given it my all.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@celine211 Conception only works from the front.
celine211 · 22-25, F
@BlueVeins 😂😂 I meannnnnnnn... reasons why to have the abortion.
I honestly don’t think it’s a big deal. I couldn’t possibly care if a woman chooses to get one or not. How often she’s does either.
celine211 · 22-25, F
I made a whole post as an explanation

https://similarworlds.com/1148902-I-Have-An-Unpopular-Opinion/2686773-Im-100-for-abortion-Do-you-know-how-rare-it-is-in

@celine211
Anybody want any popcorn? 🍿
@JBird @Mrsbetweenfatandfit I got caramel, cheddar, bacon, jalapeno, etc...
JBird · F
@canusernamebemyusername I will take the cheddar.
@JBird *makes you a batch and hands it to you*
Shapeshifter · 36-40, M
It's murder. The killing of an innocent unborn baby. And it just shows how barbaric and evil people really are.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
enabling irresponsibility
celine211 · 22-25, F
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@celine211 most reported reason for them is that it would be an inconvenience therefore they are most used by people to avoid a situation they "signed up" for
No it's not. Yes it should be.
@Shapeshifter I understand and respect that. I'm theist as well. But I think the bigger sin is to not give a good life to the child. If the relationship between parents is stable, if they can afford giving a good life to the child, that's great, keep the child. But if the child ends up being the victim of their parents' broken relationship, cannot get his basic needs met, is severely neglected, has no emotional development, has abusive parents... Etc... What's the use of respecting one command of God when you're killing your child in other ways? You're just extending your child's suffering. Isn't hurting your own child one of the biggest sins? Doesn't God hold parents accountable for their parenting?
MelanieUK · 22-25, F
@Shapeshifter so what do you say to the 12 yr old girl raped, "Sorry it happened to you but Live with it"?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@gobacktoyourroomandstudy The preference is for a happy healthy life of course.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
I don't think about it very much. Yes it's legal here.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@celine211 A woman isn't an incubator, and as such, can't be forced to bring a pregnancy to term against her will.
celine211 · 22-25, F
@QuixoticSoul Who says tho, that women are not "incubators"? if we're not then why is our body made this why?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@celine211 Capability doesn't conflict with agency.
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Pseudonym · 26-30, M
@IstillmissEP Hypothetical (albeit ridiculous) thought experiment.

Your house is burning down and inside are your 5 year old child screaming your name, and in another room, your fertilised egg in a Petri dish which could be used to impregnate you.

You will only have time to save one of them from burning alive. But both 'are a life' and 'are your children', so how do you decide which to save? Impossible choice for those totally against abortion presumably.
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Pseudonym · 26-30, M
@IstillmissEP I don't rely on drugs to think critically. I tried it once though... it did literally nothing. I hate the smell too.
exploringfantasies · 51-55, M
It's not like there is a shortage of humans. If you don't want a child then don't have sex? Seems ludicrous!
celine211 · 22-25, F
@exploringfantasies who should stop having sex?
SW-User
Eh, it's a right that people that can get pregnant have. It's legal where I'm from.
Mrsbetweenfatandfit · 26-30, F
It’s legal here and I support it as an option for someone to choose or not choose.

 
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