if the pro life men were women would they become pro choice?

@rckt148 Proper sex education is definitely the most important way to prevent pregnancies in the first place. And by "proper" I mean explaining all options, not just telling teenagers not to have sex before marriage. You have a point about STDs too, but that deserves it's own thread. It doesn't affect abortion in any way, so I'm not going to discuss that here.

@BryanSunshine I'm pleasantly surprised you actually gave me a source. In many discussions about any topic, that seems too much to ask. Please give me some time to read through it and write a reply to actually address it, but thank you very much for actually challenging me with facts to back up your point.

@BryanSunshine The circumstances of getting pregnant are essential, so I personally categorize the reasons for abortion as follows:
- Valid: not having a choice to use contraception, or planning a healthy pregnancy and it turning out differently.
- Possibly invalid: valid if contraceptives were used properly but failed to be effective regardless, invalid if the pregnancy was due to negligence.

Now let's categorize all given reasons into these two options:

[b]Valid[/b]
<0.5% Victim of rape
3%Fetal health problems
4%Physical health problems
Total: 7%

[b]Possibly invalid[/b]
4%Would interfere with education or career
7%Not mature enough to raise a child
8%Don't want to be a single mother
19%Done having children
23%Can't afford a baby
25%Not ready for a child
Total: 86%

I left out the "other" 6% because I can't judge those. It seem like you are correct that the majority of abortions by far is performed for invalid or questionably reasons...

But your source also states that "9 in 10 women at risk of unintended pregnancy are using a contraceptive method". If you agree with my categorization, that means only 1 in 10 of possibly invalid reasons actually are and 9 out of 10 are instead valid. Applying that factor means 84% of abortions have a valid reason and only 9% have invalid motives.

I agree that 9% of abortions being performed for invalid reasons is a LOT. However, 84% being performed for valid reasons is a strong point to support the option, especially as it considers a choice and not a forced measure depending on the category.

One final note: these statistics were supplied by a website with it's first main menu item being "the case against abortion". If the numbers are biased, it would definitely be towards the pro-life movement and yet they point to pro-choice. I don't think we even need to question the objectivity here, nor consider what numbers that are proven to be objective or biased towards the pro-choice movement instead will show.

@xixgun why do i need to explain that? at least they know what its like to be able to have a kid.

@ISpeakTheTruth its not the discomfort of pregnancy women dont like its all the other things that come along with it,like raising a baby, thats my point men dont get that, they wont understand unless it happens to them.

@rckt148 Okay good for you but I was speaking in general and I made that very clear.
@BryanSunshine Again I specifically said that I'm not talking about all men.

Sorry, right. Not all. Just most. Most of us have not thought about what it's like to take care of a child. At all.

[i]"Clearly [b]not all[/b] of them because there are women who are against abortion but [b]a lot of them[/b] would because they'd actually have to consider what it's like to get pregnant and to take care of a child, something [b]most of them[/b] probably haven't thought about [b]at all[/b]."[/i]

I amend my previous statement: Please don't lump most of us into the same bucket.

@BryanSunshine Well I'm not changing my mind. Like I said, most people only care about things that they can relate to. It's the same with women and men. Most people are just selfish.

@ISpeakTheTruth I never said all women are pro choice. Im asking would more of them become pro choice. I think there are more women that are pro choice then it seems. some of them say they are pro life then go get an abortion.

@SW-User i see your point, but it’s far from a perfect analogy. When it comes to prostate health, there is no life of a helpless child involved.

I don't care what the connotations and so-called "official" definition of the term "pro-life" are. I am in favor of life. Period. I hate the death penalty under ANY circumstance. I hate abortion in all circumstances but a very few. I love life. I in favor of life. So, I am Pro Life.

"I don't care what the CONNOTATIONS I don't care what the CONNOTATIONS I don't care what the CONNOTATIONS I don't care what the CONNOTATIONS I don't care what the CONNOTATIONS ----------- and so-called "official" definition of the term "pro-LIFE" are. I am in favor of LIFE. Period. I hate the death penalty under ANY circumstance. I hate abortion in all circumstances but a very few. I love LIFE. I in favor of LIFE. So, I am Pro LIFE. PRO-LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE LIFE LLLLLIIIIIFFFFFEEEEE"


Lol!

@AllChristiansAreHypocrites I rest my case :p

@IHateMyLife0MeDie I don't know if it has made my meaning clearer, yet I did add to it while your reply went through.

@DeWayfarer I don't think it's just a matter of physical pain though. We can only imagine what a woman goes through after her pregnancy. When you bring a child into this world, it's gonna take up a lot of your time, alot of your energy, compund that to whatever else is going on in your life. If you decide to have the child adopted, they're gonna be in your mind, they just don't disappear. There is a high number of abuse towards adopted children? I think these questions affect the father too, but more so the mother. The baby was inside her, then is nursed by her and was often in closer proximity to her. Of course some "fathers" just don't care and that's another factor for the woman. Oh yeah, what does it also do to the mother if the father is a rapist, what does it do to the child also if they find out their father was a monster? And so on, other things I haven't thought of.

With all due respects to what you went through. I'm sure it wasn't just the excruciating physical pain you had to deal with even.

@IHateMyLife0MeDie You are right. My whole life was upturned. Everything changed! Quite literally everything. Not saying that the same as bringing a life into the world. Yet everything, from the simplest to the greatest, changed. Even all the social aspects.