Patriotism will make you spit out sweet fresh water while you're dying of thirst, if it comes from the wrong well.

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@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout That would happen soon enough.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedaboutThat's not true, soldiers follow orders.

@User41 It's a bit animated, as is often the case when I'm in my cups. Patriotism for me is simply part of my social conditioning. I am a patriot and I love my country, I'm simply acknowledging that it is a terrible thing, Dominic Behan said it best, We need the inspiration it provides and the bravery it sustains as long as we have countries and borders,

“Countries without borders”
I don’t believe in a utopia. It’s nonsensical.

Social conditioning? We are SOCIAL animals. We were predispositioned to be socially conditioned. It’s not always a bad thing.

“We need the inspiration it provides and the bravery it sustains as long as we have countries and borders”

But, we have countries and borders.

@User41 Yes! I happen to be a nationalist and a patriot.
Can we not acknowledge the dark implications of 'patriotism' while still holding it as a high ideal and a critical part of 'who we are'? When the lion lays down with the lamb, there will be no need for borders or countries. I've spent most of my adult life being "proud of my country" and I can't help the fact that I still am, but the truth is, my country is the "Whore of Babylon" and basically the 'bad influence' of the planet. My wonderful country has been the provider of sustenance, wealth, and vice for the rest of the world for 2 long time, and hell is eager for our inevitable arrival.