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SW-User
Well having read it, I can say that it's essentially hearsay. It says that there's not a plausible explanation for it occurring naturally, therefore it [i]must [/i]have been released by the Wuhan lab, and therefore [i]must[/i] have been deliberately released for some reason (also, you would think they would deliberately release a more deadly pathogen. Just saying...

The fact that she had to publish on an open-research non-peer-reviewed platform, the fact that she has been on Tucker Carlson's show promoting this theory, that Twitter has suspended her account, and that the University of Hong Kong has discredited her study saying

[quote]Dr Yan's statement does not accord with the key facts as we understand them. They have no scientific basis but resemble hearsay."[/quote] I think tells you all you need to know.

I understand that this will not satisfy the conspiracy nutjobs here.[i] Of course[/i] she has been suppressed by the CCP/WHO/Joe Biden/Bill Gates/George Soros, etc. That's the beauty of conspiracy theories: they can never be disproved.
@SW-User Another interesting detail: by the time it appeared anywhere outside China, it was very clear how contagious and deadly it was. The rest of the country could have nipped in the bud quite easily if they had learned from China, in which case it would only have hit their own population and economy. If the release was intentional, they took a huge bet that other countries would allow it to spread.
4meAndyou · F
I saw her on the Tucker Carlson show last night. She says that the Chinese military created this virus and purposely released it upon the world. She also said that the virus has had it's DNA or genome tampered with...says it is not a naturally occuring virus.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chinese-virologist-government-intentionally-coronavirus

We DO know, even as lay people unfamiliar with DNA tampering, that the communist Chinese virology laboratory in Wuhan published a paper in 2015 stating that they had successfully altered the RNA (Replication) of the coronavirus taken from the feces of bats. That paper was made available publicly.

Doctor Mark Seigel, who is regular medical commentator at Fox, stated that no virus in the history of mankind has behaved like this virus, which we call Covid19. He says no virus in the history of mankind has attacked ALL the vital organs by creating a cytokine storm. (Since he is not a virologist, nor a geneticist, I could not say that is 100% truth).

BUT...it does seem likely that the virus originated at the lab in Wuhan, and the stupid story of Chinese people eating bats purchased at a wet market more than a mile and a half from the lab stretches credibility beyond the most obvious explanation...which is that the airborne virus infected one careless worker, who spread it, before anyone knew how highly contagious it had become.

So I would venture to say that her story is far more likely to be true than untrue.
Sazzio · 31-35, M
Coronavirus has been around an extremely long time. Just a matter of fact it being blurted out using hi tech stuff. If nobody knew about it we would have been better off. My opinion. And all those deaths happened due to covid? Pre 2020? Doctors would say "Heart attack" or "Infection."

Now, how was it created? By nature of course.
Right before election.. smells funny.
Like EVERYTHING between now and November.. pinch of salt
ABCDEF7 · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout There has been such assumptions and news right from the beginning of pandemic.
Madhatter · 31-35, M
She says she has evidence, but hasn't presented any yet. Until she does, there's no reason to believe her. I'm not saying it's impossible, but we've heard many times now from many different sources that there doesn't appear to be signs of it being engineered. I'd give her a chance to make her case, but it really comes down to the evidence. We've got a lot of crazy people making a lot of ludicrous, baseless claims these days.
ABCDEF7 · M
@Madhatter That's good point. It needs to be investigated if novel corona virus is actually related to CC45 and ZXC41 viruses owned by China Military Institute.
ABCDEF7 · M
@Madhatter Scientific papers released by her.

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2Bsg2gzYdX
Madhatter · 31-35, M
@ABCDEF7 Good start. Now just need it to be peer-reviewed and verified.
ethereal · F
I doubt it. I cannot believe a scientific paper just because its published. I have been in medical community and i know for a fact that to be published in a journal requires a lot of proof and the journals also do proper analysis of their own. However, this was published online, not in any journal because the journals have not allowed her to post it. Anyone can write in scientific language and upload it, few of my college mates used to get some of their thesis done from non-medical person.

If that paper of hers gets published in a reputed journal, then i would believe it. Till then, its all a conspiracy theory to me.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan
[quote] According to a scientific review by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the September paper offered "contradictory and inaccurate information that does not support their argument".[4] Four reviewers published in the MIT Press criticised the paper as not demonstrating "sufficient scientific evidence to support its claims."[5] Multiple prominent virologists, such as Kristian Andersen from Scripps Research and Carl Bergstrom from the University of Washington also called it unscientific.[/quote]
4meAndyou · F
Scientists often refuse to believe each other, and will argue with one another till the crack of doom. I have also heard it said that many scientists, like sheep, are fearful of supporting evidence that appears to rock the boat or upset the status quo.

So many of them are dependent on grants for their research from various universities...they will not wish to seem to rebel against the herd.

However, I will say this...the Chinese virologist who published this paper has had severe personal consequences for writing it. Her mother has been arrested. One would not think she would publish these things lightly.
ABCDEF7 · M
@4meAndyou Yes, I agree with you. But if her findings were correct, a committee of scientists under a government(like US/Trump) would have considered it more seriously without any bias. And that would have reflected in election campaign.
4meAndyou · F
@ABCDEF7 Although that is also true, we can't openly admit what we all know. Once there is definitive proof that the virus originated in Wuhan, 3 miles from a bioweapons research facility, we will probably not make any of that official.

Both political parties here want trade with China. Trump wants it, Biden wants MORE of it.
ABCDEF7 · M
@4meAndyou Yes, that's sensible. It's not practical for any government under current scenario to completely cut-off trade with China until they develop backup infrastructure to support the needs of their economy.
revenant · F
Yes . They are trying to cover up that one. I am not aware of the latest news but Ottawa and Wuhan are involved. That was known since the beginning. Professor and students who were going in between Ottawa and Wuhan labs got expelled from Canada.
Taliesin33 · 46-50, M
How does the saying go...? "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof"..?

Thus far those studying the virus have said that it does not bear any of the telltale signs of having been engineered or tampered with.

You do know that virology labs are there to [i]study[/i] viruses, and not [i]"develop"[/i] them, right? Usually, in other animals before they make the zootastic jump to humans.
ABCDEF7 · M
@Taliesin33 Scientific papers released by her.
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2Im4jzhU0P

[quote]You do know that virology labs are there to study viruses, and not "develop" them, right?[/quote]
Knife was meant to cut vegetables, but few people used it kill others.
It's too technical for me to judge, so I'll await peer reviews.
ABCDEF7 · M
@NerdyPotato Yes, this will only be more clear after an unbiased scientific investigation committee gives their report. But with the current scenario we can't trust WHO.
ABCDEF7 · M
@ahiyaa How are you so sure about it.
ahiyaa · M
@ABCDEF7 [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7aX5hksU]

getting weaker now though
ABCDEF7 · M
@ahiyaa Scientific papers released by her.

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2Bsg2gzYdX
MarineBob · 56-60, M
She hasn't died yet?
ABCDEF7 · M
@MarineBob Maybe she is hiding at some safe place/country. At the end of article she says, “They controlled my friends, they controlled my family and said threatening things. Finally, all of them had to admit that I didn’t exist,”.
cycleman · 61-69, M
scam story for money
SW-User
I haven’t read it, but judging by the spelling mistake in the title I think I can guess already...
ABCDEF7 · M
@SW-User It is called judging book by cover. I guess you are making judgement about the journalist, not the virologist.
SW-User
@ABCDEF7 Yes indeed, but judging by the virologist claiming she has evidence but won't reveal it, I think I know what sort of evidence this will be: No evidence.
ABCDEF7 · M
@SW-User Scientific papers released by her.

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2Bsg2gzYdX
DDonde · 31-35, M
"I have evidence, but I'm not going to tell you what it is"

I'll wait for the evidence before further judgement.
ABCDEF7 · M
@DDonde The first point reads completely as..
[quote]The genomic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 is suspiciously similarto that of a bat coronavirus discovered by military laboratories in the Third Military Medical University (Chongqing, China) and the Research Institute for Medicine of Nanjing Command (Nanjing, China)[/quote]

Yes, it should be studied by other scientists.
DDonde · 31-35, M
@ABCDEF7 One thing I have found out is that this paper was never published, and was financially backed by Steve Bannon. Makes me suspicious of whether or not this paper was made in good faith.
That being said, it makes no impact for me personally if the evidence is actually true. Just makes me suspicious.
ABCDEF7 · M
@DDonde This will only be more clear after an unbiased scientific investigation committee gives their report. But with the current scenario we can't trust WHO.

 
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