Do you believe Greenland's glaciers are melting?
Temperature was -88F in January. Record cold. Then it gained GIGAtons of snow Feb 7 2020.
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[b]Graphic: Dramatic glacier melt [/b]
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/4/graphic-dramatic-glacier-melt/
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[b]Scientists bid farewell to the first Icelandic glacier lost to climate change. If more melt, it can be disastrous[/b]
By Harmeet Kaur, CNN, August 18, 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/health/glaciers-melting-climate-change-trnd/index.html
(CNN)Scientists say they are bidding farewell to Okjökull, the first Icelandic glacier lost to climate change, in a funeral of sorts.
Researchers will gather Sunday in Borgarfjörður, Iceland, to memorialize Okjökull, known as Ok for short, after it lost its status as a glacier in 2014. The inscription, titled "A letter to the future," on the monument paints a bleak picture.
"Ok is the first Icelandic glacier to lose its status as a glacier. In the next 200 years, all our glaciers are expected to follow the same path. This monument is to acknowledge that we know what is happening and know what needs to be done. Only you know if we did it," the plaque reads in English and Icelandic.
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/4/graphic-dramatic-glacier-melt/
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[b]Scientists bid farewell to the first Icelandic glacier lost to climate change. If more melt, it can be disastrous[/b]
By Harmeet Kaur, CNN, August 18, 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/health/glaciers-melting-climate-change-trnd/index.html
(CNN)Scientists say they are bidding farewell to Okjökull, the first Icelandic glacier lost to climate change, in a funeral of sorts.
Researchers will gather Sunday in Borgarfjörður, Iceland, to memorialize Okjökull, known as Ok for short, after it lost its status as a glacier in 2014. The inscription, titled "A letter to the future," on the monument paints a bleak picture.
"Ok is the first Icelandic glacier to lose its status as a glacier. In the next 200 years, all our glaciers are expected to follow the same path. This monument is to acknowledge that we know what is happening and know what needs to be done. Only you know if we did it," the plaque reads in English and Icelandic.
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell Too Funny!!!!!! The civil service runs the elected officials not the other way around. Everybody who has ever had dealings with the government knows that. It is impossible for the civil service to be impartial. They simply delude themselves into thinking so. What high level bureaucrat didn't get to his/her position without having a personal agenda and purpose? NONE!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 I don't deny that individuals go wrong, in any role anywhere, and there are some countries that are riddled with corruption; but you speak for your own country's administration and I will speak for mine....
As for [quote]What high level[/unquote] [employee] [quote]didn't get to his/her position without having a personal agenda and purpose?[/quote]
That is so loose a charge it applies equally to people promoted
in any work in any organisation, including those who reach their positions by honest endeavour and ability. The only reward it brings is a higher salary.
Besides, it's the elected MPs and local-councillors I worry about, not civil-servants.
(Signed) A retired, low-grade industrial-role civil-servant (before the Government sold us off)...
As for [quote]What high level[/unquote] [employee] [quote]didn't get to his/her position without having a personal agenda and purpose?[/quote]
That is so loose a charge it applies equally to people promoted
in any work in any organisation, including those who reach their positions by honest endeavour and ability. The only reward it brings is a higher salary.
Besides, it's the elected MPs and local-councillors I worry about, not civil-servants.
(Signed) A retired, low-grade industrial-role civil-servant (before the Government sold us off)...
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell The fact is the elected officials are elected to set policy and direction. However within a few years if not months of being elected they learn that they are just the spokespeople for the entrenched bureaucracy. I heard an old reporter say that he knew the minute the elected official had been turned to mouthpiece. He said when the elected official say "I" he is his own person but the minute he comes out and says "We" he has been turned. The bureaucracy is only interested in its own agenda, aggrandizement, growth and success. Yes it lies about the weather or anything else it needs to lie about in order to accomplish its goals. Sadly the media has been co-opted into being the bureaucracy's mouth piece.
We know they are, it's easy to see with your own eyes if you have been in the Artic. There are shipping lanes in the northwest passage that never existed before. We have historical photos and measurements that show the difference. You're old my dude, you'll be dead soon enough leaving my generation with this mess.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@MalcolmY Wow that qualifies you as a useful idiot not a scientist. Climate science is another word for government propaganda. They are paid to make up false narratives. I thought everyone knew that. Just ask Judith Curry.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
Climate change is being caused by CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere by cars, trucks and industrial sources, trapping heat and causing a 'greenhouse effect'. Earth orbiting satellites and other sources have measured the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere for years. Over the past 70-80 years millions of tones of CO2 have been released.
It's not that surprising that pumping out such large quantities of carbons into the atmosphere would cause the planet to heat up. The solution is to greatly reduce the amount of CO2 produced, which means ceasing to use fossil fuels, adopting clean energy, conservation and measures such as increasing use of trains transportation instead of cars and trucks.
It's not that surprising that pumping out such large quantities of carbons into the atmosphere would cause the planet to heat up. The solution is to greatly reduce the amount of CO2 produced, which means ceasing to use fossil fuels, adopting clean energy, conservation and measures such as increasing use of trains transportation instead of cars and trucks.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@badminton You honestly believe that pile of bunkum? If that is the case then how did the earth ever cool when its CO2 levels were much much higher than they are now? We are somewhere around 3 - 4 hundred PPM now. Not long ago we were at 7 thousand PPM and the earth cooled to an ice age. Your theory is faulty as is your sense of history.
@hippyjoe1955 All of that is accounted for when you look at the data in trend and doesn't even come close to what's happening now. No warming period can account for this. You don't understand stats and that's fine it's not an easy subject for some, but why pretend you do instead of deferring to those who know more?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@RandomForest so how long is your trend line? The trend from yesterday to today is down......
@hippyjoe1955 Here, this will help you.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379110001344?via%3Dihub
Study up friend. When you are better educated in the subject matter we can discuss.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379110001344?via%3Dihub
Study up friend. When you are better educated in the subject matter we can discuss.
Whyme · 46-50, M
I believe climate change is real but i think its a natural cycle we likely did speed it up but its gonna happen anyway
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Kwek00 you won't read them anyways. They were published in Russia, Finland and Japan.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Sure I will, I read most of your other material too remember.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
The overall trend is towards more melting.. extremes of temperature either way *are* associated with climate change. Honestly, anyone who doesn't believe or understand is very foolish. But then we know that anyway don't we, no point trying to convince the die-hard idiots.. It's just a shame we can't ship them all off somewhere they might be able to face a nice natural disaster due to climate change.. They might still not change their mind but it sure would get rid of a whole lot of stupid!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Adaydreambeliever so you have no sense of history.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 neither do you!! Indeed you really are very ignorant. More and more I find I just cannot bear to speak to people like you.. I find them sub-human. I have tried understanding - now I think the best thing for them is just to wish for something horrible to happen to them all. I can only be honest about that.. I find people like you revolting, repugnant, unspeakably putrid. I shall not reply further on this.. It makes me sick, seriously, trying to deal with you people. .I would prefer to not even know that such people as you and the rest of the determined ignoranti exist.. I prefer to live in ignorance of that fact!
PS one does not have a *sense* of history, and I suspect it's not history you are talking about, it's geology and weather trends you mean, but hey, just reinforces what I say.. unspeakably ignorant... I really cannot bear to imagine you people
PS one does not have a *sense* of history, and I suspect it's not history you are talking about, it's geology and weather trends you mean, but hey, just reinforces what I say.. unspeakably ignorant... I really cannot bear to imagine you people
Frank52 · 70-79, M
I think the common mistake of confusing climate with weather may be at play here.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell No. His data is widely cited and was at the root of the lawsuit. He started the lawsuit and when forced to back up his assertions - refused. If I were to sue you for misrepresenting my data and you asked for my data I would gladly give the court the data in order to win the law suit. If I failed to produce the data and so lost the case and the millions of dollars needed to cover my adversary's legal costs...... Yeah data is being fudged big time.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 If we don't know what the data were we can't judge them, and I can understand that scientist's reluctance swaying the case even if his findings were actually all correct and impartial.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell And if his data is all fake and easily proved as such therefore he is hiding it from other scientists equally qualified to examine the data..... Sorry but in science you don't hide your data. You release your data so others can examine and try to replicate your findings. One of the big knocks on physiology is the test can not be replicated therefore the theory is much more supposition than fact. Imagine if you will someone saying I created a vacuum at sea level and I dropped a steel ball inside of it and measured its acceleration. It is 6.2 M/S2. (Meters per second squared) When questioned about how he did his measurements and other aspects of his experiment he refused to release his data or methodology. Is he an actual scientist or just some sort of crank? When I went to school dropping a steel ball in a vacuum at sea level gave you an acceleration of 9.8 M/S2.
MorbidCynic · F
Meanwhile Antarctica reached 65 degrees recently lol
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@MalcolmY Nope. Recorded temperatures in Antarctica don't go back very far. You are a supposed statistician you should know all this.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
I believe theres an element of ppl who look for any evidence to their own minds of climate change..
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Yeah when it is 88 below the first thing I look for is melting snow.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
@hippyjoe1955 lolz
ArishMell · 70-79, M
It's what happens over the years that matters, not individual annual weather events that always fluctuate anyway.
TexChik · F
Only in a liberal’s mind ... reality has a different story to tell
Crazychick · 36-40, F
I hope not.
chubbysteve99 · 51-55, MVIP
yes