What Personal Protective Equipment is appropriate?

A person working on a platform 8 feet in the air using a 50' lanyard firmly attached to a beam 2 feet above the worker's head. Everything is right except the worker will hit the floor before the lanyard stops him.
A truck driver walks into a welding shop and stares at the arc because he is wearing his truck driver sunglasses will soon be blind from retina damage despite wearing tinted lenses.
A worker removing asbestos wears a dust mask to prevent breathing in the particulate will soon develop cancer.
A guy working in a virus lab wears a medical mask to prevent getting the virus. He will soon be a very sick individual.

The point of this mind exercise is to get people to realize that just because you are wearing PPE does not make you safe. Is the PPE being worn properly? Is the PPE effective against the environment that you are entering?

Just food for thought the next time a politician tells you to wear a mask to stop the spread of a virus. There isn't a mask on the market that will do that. You need a full pressurized suit with an outside air source for that.

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DragonFruit · 61-69, M

The idea is that wearing the mask has been shown to be more effective than nothing....it’s not a fully pressurized suit. but those aren’t going to be readily available to the average individual.
You do the best you can to control the spread of the virus with the available resources.
Wearing a helmet isn’t going to stop people from dying in motorcycle/bicycle accidents, but it can cut down on the number who do.
Using an example of a skilled worker not provided with proper equipment for the job is not the same as having the average person being advised to take certain precautions to lessen their chances of being infected by the virus.....it’s not a guarantee, but it’s better than nothing.

NoahB · 26-30, M

the mask is mostly to prevent carriers of the virus from spreading it via droplets. (talking, coughing sneezing, yelling, etc.).

If a sick person has their mouth covered up it will effectively prevent its spread. and since the virus can spread before people experience symptoms its a particularly effective preventative measure. health officials encourage mask use to prevent people who already have it, knowingly and unknowingly, from spreading it.

Think of it less like a helmet and more like a viral container.

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@NoahB Did you hear about the fellow that was covid positive and was given a mask to wear while he coughed. A petrie dish nearby was later tested and found to contain covid virus. Another covid positive was given a mask to wear. After a short time his mask was tested. There were viruses on the inside and outside of the mask. It was almost like the mask wasn't there. Of course when you are trying to keep houseflies under control with a barbed wire fence that has all its gates open....

Elessar · 26-30, M

@hippyjoe1955 In which quantities, and how far was the viral RNA found? And were they able to cultivate it?

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Elessar yeah, idk if i'd compare a mask to a barbed wire fence or the virus to flies. Its more like using a screen door. It will keep most at bay but there is no real way to keep flies out of your house. also the virus being in a mask worn by a sick person doesn't surprise me. But better they be in the mask than my breathing air hahaha

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Quimliqer That is what we are being sold. The evidence to back it up just isn't there. Sadly. What we have here is little more than superstition. Doctors all over the world are starting to tell us that masks don't work based on their medical practice. I honestly don't care one way or the other. I simply want to have hard and fast evidence before we all make fools of ourselves. No study indicates what we want to believe. When did the masking rules come in for the seniors residences? What do we see in practice? Despite virtual lock down and masking, gloves etc people are getting sick and dying. Granted they are the most vulnerable but still if masks actually worked Granny Grunt would still be with us. I saw a study where they put a mask on a patient then waited an hour. They then examined the mask. It had virus both inside and out. Who knows how much virus had gone through the mask. We know that it can escape around the edges with ease. I sent a crew into a sawmill and they had to wear a fit test mask (no beards) with a specified cartridge capable of stopping the particulate in the air. A virus in magnitudes smaller than the smallest particulate in the saw mill.

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Elessar · 26-30, M

@hippyjoe1955 It escaped no lab. Only the head of some conspiritard.

[quote]It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used. [b]However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone[/b]. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer.[/quote] [[u]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9[/u]]

Those who claimed to have "evidence of artificial spreading" haven't yet published anything and are completely avoiding the subject now, guess why.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Elessar We don't know where it came from but it remains possible that it escaped a level 4 lab. It was found in Wuhan. Where is the level 4 lab? Wuhan. The rest of your bunk is pure bunk since the virus had been sequenced some time ago. Hmmmm. That you would cite the most corrupt journal in the scientific community tells me all I need to know. Might as well cite the Lancet and their retracted studies. Too funny. Run along son you just made a fool of yourself again. You do that a lot you know.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@hippyjoe1955 Then yours is speculation, not a proven fact. Don't try to sell it as such, especially after those who tried to push that narrative failed to provide proof (or better, we're still waiting to see it).

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@JAYS21 And if she had been given HCQ early in her illness it is likely that she would have recovered much quicker and suffered much less and likely have much less damage done to her lungs. Masks don't work.

Quimliqer · 70-79, M

But it stops the droplets in your breath reaching others. Your right, it will not protect you from breathing in droplets in the atmosphere around you, but if everyone wore one it would curtail the spread dramatically..

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Quimliqer The problem is we don't know if that is the method of transfer. It certainly could be droplets or it could be airborne. We simply don't know. We can't trace it so it seems more likely airborne than droplet.

Quimliqer · 70-79, M

@hippyjoe1955 Airborne is a potential risk, with no evidence at this point. It’s definitely being studied at this time to understand if there is a risk.
What is known is infected or asystematic people do spread the virus through droplets in the exhaled breath.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@Quimliqer Not exactly true. We literally don't know how it is spread. Could be droplets, could be airborne but there simply is no evidence one way or the other. It just kind of seems to show up when least wanted. What is clear is that none of the PPE used is effective. If it were there would not be mass outbreaks in senior's residences. Senior's residences have the highest PPE protocols possible but seniors are still getting sick and dying and politicians are still pushing for more PPE. Short of a negative pressure sealed unit for the residents and pressurized outside air supply 'space suits' for the staff the virus will continue to spread. No mask or goggles will stop a virus. They are simply too small.

Elessar · 26-30, M

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eli1601 · 70-79, M

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