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Might you consider death the most painful loss of life...

... Or that which may die inside us while we live?
soberSimplicity · 18-21, T
Death is painful for those who are attached to the person, but for the person themselves, death is a very liberating experience. I mean life can be seen as suffering, this meaningful event, but still quite painful experience all together. At least from the Buddhist-Gnostic perspectives. So death can actually be a sort of transcending from the mortal toils. However, death is quite painful for those who have to see them leaving, this is of course because of their attachment to the person. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, I don't exactly demonize pain, but for the person experiencing, death can seem quite cruel.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
@soberSimplicity the point is... you don't know.. nor do i.. so we should really be very careful of spouting like we know .. and the point is.. life is only suffering for some people, and that suffering has been known to improve.. and like I say.. those who commit suicide often regret it.. who knows how many of those who are successful actually regretted it in their last moments. we don't know!! to talk about it like we do know is so self-serving

re the people with near death experiences.. yes that's ONE aspect of data.. and it supports what I said.. that those who died mostly wanted to live// and are glad they did.. wanting to die is very different from not being scared of it.. even those who aren't scared tend to still want to live.. unless they are suicidal which is an entirely diferent matter..

re the pain. yes but who wants to go through what might be agonising pain.. say of being shot.. stabbed, beaten.. its not a picnic..

I am off to bed soon and will leave you to your musings.. but it seems to me that when you grow up you might think very differently on these things ie when you get some real experience of life and people
soberSimplicity · 18-21, T
@Adaydreambeliever First of all, you're treating this as if what I said was in support of suicide, which is a serious straw-man. I never said anything about suicide, I don't think this philosophy disproves or proves suicidal mentality, and thats coming from someone who has experienced a lot of suicidal thoughts and tries, on both a personal and interpersonal level. Also, I feel like you're entirely missing the point of philosophy, especially the kind of philosophy Im bringing up. Also, based on the data of those people, they were neither against nor for dying. They didn't WANT to live, but they didn't WANT to die. Which actually proves my point about attachment. Also, I feel as though I was able to give you the empirical data you seemingly wanted, but the moment you had it, you didn't really care and kept going.
soberSimplicity · 18-21, T
@Adaydreambeliever Also, I would mention, most of what you just said is essentially trying to devalue what I said, instead of argue against it. You use age against me in the last bit, as if I don't have enough life experiences, which age doesn't exactly matter, because plenty of people older than even you have the same opinion as I do here. Im sure they just have more life experiences than you. You also bring up the fact that I haven't died before, which is a fair criticism, but the problem with that is that im using philosophy to talk about this, im not directly saying I know it must be liberating, just why using that philosophical reasoning, you could assume it is. But even then, I provided you with empirical data.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
Loss of life.. I say this because when things die within us, there is always a chance that it can be rekindled, brought to life, healed while we are alive, especially if we are young.. but if you are dead as in totally dead, there's not a lot of coming back from that
Tibby · 22-25, F
@Adaydreambeliever Well said.
SW-User
I consider the death of someone you love to be the most painful
Tibby · 22-25, F
@SW-User I agree. It alone remains an event of which we've no control.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I'm not sure if I believe in death so I can't say it's a loss. When I get sad that someone died it's either/and because I want to see them again or "how" they died rather than the fact that they died.

My views on religion are actually kind of complicated but one thing I know for sure is that I don't know what death truly is. In a sense, there's no past or future. You only have the present and your body is the only home you really got.

So while I get sad that someone dies, I also don't know if there is such a thing as death. I feel sad because I won't see that person again and I'll think of them often, I'm not sure if I've lost them forever or not.

I'm not sure what death or life even means in the first place. How do I know if I'm really alive? I don't know.
Beatbox34 · 31-35, M
Both are equally painful.

I say that because to lose a loved one and to live with that pain hurts. While to live in pain and feel nothing but a void eating you hurts as hell. It sure did hurt me.
Tibby · 22-25, F
@Beatbox34 I concur.
rickfreeman15 · 22-25, M
More painful would be death. There's no coming back from it, even if you believe in an afterlife. But living a life without purpose is as good as being dead, in my opinion.
Tibby · 22-25, F
@rickfreeman15 One has a choice.
SW-User
Death will become more and more familiar the older you get. It's an inevitable part of life. A long life means watching people die.
Tibby · 22-25, F
@SW-User Life happens right now. This moment.

When I/you get older.... It will be right now when it happens.

What we watch remains a relative concept.
SW-User
@Tibby You been smoking that weed again? 🤨
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
While you breath, that which has died within you may be reborn like the Phoenix rising from the ashes.
Tibby · 22-25, F
@Tastyfrzz Indeed. The opposite of death if not life.... For life is eternal.

The opposite of death is birth. Space created for something new to enter life.
okaybut · 56-60, M
Depends on what is valued by us to create our meaning.
Tibby · 22-25, F
@okaybut Interesting. I value, give attention to....honor, what ever the present moment includes.
okaybut · 56-60, M
@Tibby So being in the present? Mindfulness? Or controlling your thoughts and actions in the now?
SW-User
losing my mum was like my world was shattered
Tibby · 22-25, F
@SW-User May she rest in peace in the warmth of your memories.
SW-User
@Tibby she does thank you
SW-User
It depends. I have never feared my own death. So the latter.
Tibby · 22-25, F
@SW-User Acceptance is powerful indeed.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
I've known people that died long before they went to the grave
Coppercoil · M
All the above

 
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